Re: [Cz-L] The number of Jews saved by Traian Popovici

Cornel and All,
  Yad Vashem says 20,000
  Fundul Moldovei says 24,000
  We say 19,600
    Who is right ? We will never now. All of the above and none.
   Popovici got from Antonescu the approval of 20,000 but because of
   short time available he didn't issue more than 19,600.
     On the other hand some jews stayed in Cz. without permits.
       We are not dealing with precise numbers .
      Ther was what we call in Hebrew a big " Bardak"(mess) in Cz in 1941.
       Now some city clerk starts playing historian and wants to put history
right :
       "Those cheating Jews want to " hereinganwenen " 400 more Jews into
the plate.
         To make the number more impressing. "
           So he says 19600 ? Let it be !
             Hardy
----- Original Message -----
From: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
To: "'Miriam Taylor'" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>; "'Czernowitz Genealogy and
History'" <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] The number of Jews saved by Traian Popovici


> Hi mimi, the plaque is excellent,esp.since you have succeeded in including
> three languages, BUT, the figure of 19600,,,i too have searched the
> literature and i could not find a single reference to the basic fact that
> 100s of other jews were saved because they were hidden in their buildings
> by
> friends and relations who had the right bits of paper.(as happened in our
> house). In no way can such a categorical specific figure be accurate.
> cornel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-3057876-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-3057876-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Miriam
> Taylor
> Sent: 16 September 2008 02:33
> To: Czernowitz Genealogy and History
> Subject: [Cz-L] The number of Jews saved by Traian Popovici
>
> For general information and in answer to those, who have questioned
> the number of Jewish people saved by Traian Popovici as given on
> the plaque design, I copy below part of a letter sent by
> Mr. Vadim Altskan of the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC
> to the city Authorities of Chernivtsi with a copy to me:
>
>
>>
>> Dr. Radu Ioanid, Director of the International Archival Programs Division
> at
>> the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC have asked
>> me
> to
>> send you the following quote from his book _ The Holocaust in Romania_ (
> Ivan
>> Dee, Chicago 2000), p.159 related to the rescue of Jews in Chernivtsi by
>> Traian Popovici who served as a mayor of the city in 1941-1942:
>>
>>
>> ...Popovici tried to oppose the deportations, and he managed to win -
>> with
> the
>> help of the governor of Bukovina- the approval of Antonescu (who was in
>> Tiraspol at the time) to retain in the city some 15, 600 Jews as
>> "specialists", along with some 4, 000 others to whom he himself had
> issued"
>> temporary permits"
>>
>>
>> This information is based on the archival sources that could be found in
> the
>> following archives and publication:
>>
>>
>> USHMM Archives RG - 25-004M, roll# 14 (original document in the State
> Archives
>> of the Chernivtsi Region, fond 2868, opis 1, delo 207 ), also see Carp,
>> _Cartea neagra_, ( Black Book) volume 3, p.141
>>
>
> My information about the number of Jewish residents, who were saved
> by Mr. Popovici, comes from many professional accounts and books,
> Such as:
>
> "Cartea Neagra" by Matatias Carp (In Romanian)
>
> "Holocaust in Romania", English translation of the above book,
> published in 1994 by Primor Publishing Co. in Budapest.
>
> "The Holocaust in Romania" by Radu Ioanid, in English, published in 2000.
>
> "The Silent Holocaust" by I. C. Butnaru, in English, published in 1992.
>
> "History of the Holocaust Romania" by Jean Ancel, in Hebrew,
> published in 2002.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mimi

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