[Cz-L] Re: remarks about the work to be done at the cemetery.

Cornel and members of the list,

Thank you Cornel for the information. I will contact the ASCE, the
Association of Significant Cemeteries in Europe and get their advice.

At this point I do not know what type of herbicides the cemeteries
administration is going to use to spray the cemetery.
Nor do I know exactly when they are going to do the spraying.
But they are doing the herbicide spraying on their own initiative
and at their own cost. I had asked about spraying in previous years
and was told that they were not allowed to use herbicides, because
of the danger of these getting into the ground and drinking water.

Various herbicides are differentially effective against different species
of invasive trees and vines. I will try to obtain information about
the particular herbicide(s) they plan to use and their effectiveness,
then post the information to this list.
Some of the vines, such as Vinca minor, have to be pulled out by the roots,
but luckily these roots are not deep or massive. Acer platanoides, Ailanthus
altissima and Hedera helix, all of which I have seen at the cemetery, can be
controlled with herbicides.

It seems that some members of the list are concerned over the quality
of the work to be done by the laborers hired by the cemetery administration.
I will write to Dr. Bursuk and ask that he or someone else knowledgeable
about such things, inspect the work done by the laborers more frequently
than once every two weeks.

BUT... We are not paying anyone to supervise the work. Even if we wanted
to do so, I do not know of anyone who would want the job, nor would I know
whether to trust them or not. I have said so before and I will say so again:
I do not trust the various "helpers" who hang around the cemetery and do
various jobs for those who pay them. Some of you may find them useful,
a number of members of this list have found the same helpers to be pesky
crooks. Now they are willing to make repairs for a fee, but it is their
fault in the first place, that the old cemetery plan is "lost" and possibly
also that the cemetery is in such a state of neglect.

I object to the term "itinerant workers" being used about the people who
will work at the cemetery. Who says they are itinerant? And even if they
were; the itinerant scissors and knife sharpeners and the itinerant
clay pots menders, I remember from my childhood, did a great and honest job.
The two cemetery employees who worked with the volunteers last summer, did a
good job, worked hard and were careful not to damage the stones.

Since there are more than 300 members who belong to the Cz,-List, I suggest
that we all take turns going to Czernowitz and either putting in 2 weeks of
work clearing the cemetery, or hiring and paying someone to do the work for
us. The area of the cemetery is about 13 hectares = 130000 sq. meter.
Divide this by 300 to get the size of the area each one of us would be
responsible for clearing. 130000 divided by 300 = 433sq meter or an area
measuring about 21m x 21m. At the rate of clearing 4 square meters per hour
and working 8 hours per day each one of us would need to work or have
someone work for them for just 14 days, or two weeks.
Of course, each one of us would spend more $1000, just traveling to
Czernowitz for a total expenditure of $300 000.

Mimi


On 5/9/09 10:03 AM, "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net> wrote:

> Hi all! I have been in contact with the ASCE, the Association of
> Significant Cemeteries in Europe. You can look them up on google, they are
> involved with literally 100s of cemeteries. I have been told that unless
> rootkilling chemicals are used immediately then it will all grow
> back...cutting across the stem or trunk does nothing at all.The other major
> advantage of the chemicals is that it means the roots are not pulled out and
> so the gravestones are not more disturbed than they already are.
> However..this costs more money, but I very strongly feel that not doing it
> properly in the first instance is going to be expensive and
> counterproductive.Another point..letting a group of itinerant workers loose
> and only checking to see what they are doing every 14 days is not good
> enough! Cornel
>
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