Re: [Cz-L] Parallel worlds

Thank you Miriam Taylor for your comments.
I do hope that it is clear, from my message, that I happen to be aware of
the real historical facts. Some of my ancestors arrived to the area thanks
to the support of the Ottoman authorities.
If there is somebody in our group who happens to have connections to
INSTITUTUL CULTURAL ROMAN in Bucharest, it could be of value to address
these details to them directly . They perhaps are in need of a few details.
Their replay, with regard to their version
of history, could be of great interest. The book as such is in any case
interesting.
Shabbat Shalom,
W. Terner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Taylor" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
To: "W.A. Terner" <w.a.t-r_at_athenaeum.se>
Cc: "owner" <Czernowitz-L_at_list.cornell.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Parallel worlds

> Thank you Wolf, for telling us of this new revision of history.
> We of course knew all along that Cernauti was founded by the Romans
> or their descendants, the Romanians. That is why the city has this name.
> Czerne or czorne means black in both Latin and Romanian.
>
> In more recent times, the city was part of Romania for 25 long years.
> In all its long history, it was never part of Israel or Judea.
>
> According to the 1910 Austrian census about 33% of the population was
> Jewish.
> According to the same census, 18% of the population was Romanian.
> Even in Suceava, Radauti, Gurahumora and Siret, the Jewish population
> exceeded the Romanian one. Ce Scandal! Che infamia!
>
> So, in their wisdom, the victors of WW1 created Romania Mare.
> According to the 1930 Romanian census, the total Romanian population
> of greater Romania was 12 981 324 and the Jewish population was 728 115.
> According to estimates, in Cernauti, there lived about 42 500 - 46 000
> Jews
> and only about 30 000 Romanians.
>
> Clearly these estimates must be wrong, therefore the Jewish population
> must be left out of any history of the city.
>
> Mimi

> On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:07 AM, W.A. Terner wrote:
>
>> Dear Czernowitzers,
>> A friend of mine from France attended a book fair( BOOKFEST SALONUL
>> INTERNATIONAL AL CARTII ) in Bucharest at the end of May. He found
>> there a
>> book related to Czernowitz which I just received.
>> " CERNAUTI CHERNOVTSY 1408 -2008 " ISBN 978 - 973 - 577- 568- 1,
>> published
>> by INSTITUTUL CULTURAL ROMAN, BUCURESTI, 2008.
>> It is a large volume, 4:0, with some explanatory text in Romanian,
>> English,
>> Ukrainian, and German and with very nice colour illustrations. (158 pp.)
>> Some details from the text: (Czernowitz)
>> " between 1359 and 1774 (415 years) it was a part of Moldavia - Upper
>> Moldavia, later known as Bukowina under the Austrians. From 1775 until
>> 1918
>> (143 years) it was under the control of the Habsburg Empire. Between
>> 1918
>> and 1940 and again between 1941 and 1944 , the city of Chernovtsy was
>> under
>> Romanian control. In 1940-41 and then from 1944 to 1991 ( a total of
>> almost
>> 48 years) the territory became part of the Soviet Union. Finally since
>> 1991
>> the city has been part of the sovereign state of Ukraine"
>>
>> About 1/3 of the photos relate to different churches, 1/3 relate to
>> Romanian
>> / Ukrainian folklore and 1/3 to general topics. There is 1(one) photo :
>> "The Cernauti cinema - formerly the Jewish Temple". The single photo
>> reference to a Jewish presence.
>> In the text material there is a single reference to a Jewish presence:
>> " when the Austrians first arrived ...it was a small town located in
>> the
>> northern part of the city with its old Jewish quarter which used to host
>> the
>> main square"
>> The only time the Turks are mentioned in the text :
>> "After the Russo - Turkish war of 1768-1774, and the retreat of the
>> Russian
>> troops, the north of Moldavia was ceded to the Austrians" "Since then
>> Chernovtsy has been the capital of Upper Moldavia"
>> For some readers of this book it must appear a bit curious why the "
>> Turks"
>> and not the
>> Moldavians are involved in this transaction. But anyway, it is such a
>> long
>> time ago and today's football match is of course much more important.
>>
>> So, all Jews who lived in "Czernowitz" ( Zerwone -according to a map
>> from 1628 ) for the last 500 years( see old
>> Jewish-Turkish cemetery), according to this book , probably relate to
>> a
>> Czernowitz in a parallel world.
>> Happy Shavuot.
>> W. Terner.
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