Re: [Cz-L] Bukovina-Bessarabia

My not mentioning the villages and towns Aizic Sechter refers to, was not
intentional. These towns and villages, located in the general area between
Khotin and Czernowitz, belonged in 1941 either to the Bucovina or to
Besarabia and this may be why they were called Bukovina-Bessarabia .
I do not know exactly where the Bucovina - Besarabia border was in 1939
or in 1941.

Klishivtsi is about 30 km from Chernivtsi and much closer to Khotin.
It currently has a population of about 6000.

To restore and maintain a Jewish cemetery, where there are no Jews left,
I think that you, Aizic and other descendants of the Jewish people
who once lived in Klishkivtsi, would need to collect enough money
to pay for the clearing and restoration of the two cemeteries and involve
either the mayor of the village or possibly even one of the local churches.

Some years ago, I visited Dej in Romania and the local very large Jewish
cemetery there, was being cared for by the Seventh Day Adventists in town.
The Khotin area was once one of the centers of the Seventh Day Adventists
in Ukraine.

We know of a number of Jewish cemeteries which were cleared or restored
by the descendants of those buried there in cooperation with the local
people; Vashkivtsi, Wiznitz ,Nova Selitza, etc.

Ultimately there are only two possible solutions for the maintenance of
abandoned Jewish cemeteries over many years to come.
1. An international non-profit Jewish organization which undertakes to
    maintain all Jewish cemeteries, wherever they are in perpetuity.
2. Individual municipalities, in which abandoned Jewish cemeteries
    are located, maintain these cemeteries as a matter of public
    responsibility.

As an aside: When I was in Czernowitz last month. I found that in the
Ukraine, the Saturday after Easter, all members of the Orthodox church go to
the cemeteries and clean the graves of their deceased.
We, who are far from the graves of our ancestors, should find other ways to
care for the graves of our deceased and I commend Aizic for looking for a
way to do so.

Mimi

On 6/12/11 4:07 AM, "YASO" <goaizicgo_at_013.net> wrote:

> Shalom Mimi,
>
> I read with great interest your recent posting Subject: Parallel worlds (see
> below).
> As with all of your postings I found this one also very educational and
> interesting.
>
> If you will allow me, though, I believe you forgot to mention, the
> Shteitels
> north-east of Czernowitz (on the road to Khotin) though being part of
> Imperial Russian Bessarabia, the Jewish population of these northern
> Bessarabian towns for some reason called it Bukovina-Bessarabia (maybe you
> can explain to me why?)
>
> Anyway from personal knowledge I know that the town where my father was
> born,
> Klishkovitz (today Klishkovtsy, Ukraine) closer to Czernowitz than the
> towns you
> mentioned, had a Jewish population of much more than 50 per cent, all the
> rest of the
> towns on this road to Khotin (including Khotin) also had dominant large
> Jewish populations.
>
> Last year while visiting these towns I noticed that today there is not only
> no Jewish population
> but nearly nothing to remind the local population about the Jewish presence
> there and their
> contribution to these settlements. (Or how the local non-Jewish population
> assisted and or
> even didn't try to stop the forceful expulsion of the Jewish population
> from their towns during
> the SHOAH.)
>
> Getting back to Klishkovtsy, this was one of the first if not the first
> Jewish settlement from the
> time it was established by the Turks as a penal colony. The first Jewish
> settlers settled there
> so that Jewish merchants (Polish on one side and Iranian-Iraqis on the other
> side) traveling
> from the Persian gulf to Poland with spices and Silk and other goodies from
> the far east
> would have where to spend the Sabbath.
>
> This is why this small Klishkovtsy has two Jewish cemeteries. The first one
> established with
> the beginning of this settlement in the 17th century (or early 18th
> century), The last burial there
> was around 1880 when the new, second Jewish cemetery was established and
> Jews were
> buried there (except during the SHOAH) till the 1960s when the last Jew left
> Klishkovtsy.
>
> The situation of both these cemeteries is very very bad, and this is an
> understatement, there
> is still time to save what can be saved.
>
> Mimi with your experience can you give me some guide lines on how to go
> about it (from
> A to Z). I had here in Israel a group of High School pupils that were
> willing to volunteer and
> start "the ball rolling," but because of lack of funding I am afraid it will
> not be this summer.
>
> Any assistance will be deeply appreciated.
>
> Aizic Sechter
> Israel
>
> ---$B"*(B Original Message <-----
>
> From: "Miriam Taylor" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> To: "W.A. Terner" <w.a.t-r_at_athenaeum.se>
> Cc: "owner" <Czernowitz-L_at_list.cornell.edu>
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Parallel worlds
>
>
>> Thank you Wolf, for telling us of this new revision of history.
>> We of course knew all along that Cernauti was founded by the Romans
>> or their descendants, the Romanians. That is why the city has this name.
>> Czerne or czorne means black in both Latin and Romanian.
>>
>> In more recent times, the city was part of Romania for 25 long years.
>> In all its long history, it was never part of Israel or Judea.
>>
>> According to the 1910 Austrian census about 33% of the population was
>> Jewish.
>> According to the same census, 18% of the population was Romanian.
>> Even in Suceava, Radauti, Gurahumora and Siret, the Jewish population
>> exceeded the Romanian one. Ce Scandal! Che infamia!
>>
>> So, in their wisdom, the victors of WW1 created Romania Mare.
>> According to the 1930 Romanian census, the total Romanian population
>> of greater Romania was 12 981 324 and the Jewish population was 728 115.
>> According to estimates, in Cernauti, there lived about 42 500 - 46 000
>> Jews
>> and only about 30 000 Romanians.
>>
>> Clearly these estimates must be wrong, therefore the Jewish population
>> must be left out of any history of the city.
>>
>> Mimi
>
>

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