Re: [Cz-L] A Romanian investigation

Merle,
 You are as qualified as any .
Except the very few of us,who were adults and still with us ,the rest
do not know too much.
  We didn't now then, know even less now.
    We were too young then.
   There was no media , everything was hidden.
     I still have a good memory of location of my part of town
   as I was a wanderer (still am) .
     So , being a list member , you know as much as any.
       Your oppinion is as good as any.

Hardy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Merle Kastner" <merlek_at_videotron.ca>
To: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>; "Cznerowitz Discussion Group
List" <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] A Romanian investigation

> Dear Edgar,
>
> I am not qualified to enter into this discussion, but I want thank you for
> clarifying this unfortunate misunderstanding.
>
> Very best regards and deep appreciation for all the excellent work that
> you do.
>
> Merle
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> To: <wandabob_at_ca.rr.com>; "Ruth Gold" <glasgold_at_bellsouth.net>
> Cc: "Breier Hardy" <hardy3_at_bezeqint.net>; <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] A Romanian investigation
>
>
> Dear Wanda, Dear Ruth,
>
> I'm very sorry, but I suppose, that your recent mails are based on a huge
> misunderstanding! I suppose you don't read Romanian and/or you didn't read
> the original text of the investigation, as the investigation, we are
> talking about,
>
> "CONCLUSIONS OF THE INQUIRY COMMISSION WITH RESPECT TO THE IRREGULARITIES
> DURING THE EVACUATION OF THE JEWS FROM CZERNOWITZ" (1941)
>
> has not been effected nowadays, BUT in 1942 by the Antonescu regime (!!!)
> and thanks to Liviu Carare, PhD candidate in contemporary history at the
> Romanian Academy “George Baritiu” Institute of History in Cluj-Napoca, we
> all now are aware of this exciting and thrilling document. Liviu Carare
> received a master’s degree in Jewish History and Hebrew studies from the
> Alexandru Ioan Cuza University. Actually he is completing his researches
> for his dissertation on the subject “Jews from Czernowitz. 1941-1944″ on a
> scholarship of the USHMM in Washington:
>
> http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/fellowship/fellows/fellow.php?year=2011&content=carare
>
> So please notice, that we are miles and miles away from "the current trend
> in Romania" or "now they are trying to find irregularities", quite the
> contrary is the case. Please check our Ehpes.com Blog at
>
> http://ehpes.com/blog1/2012/03/21/the-traian-popovici-discussion/
>
> and scroll down to Liviu Carare's statement, dated 21.03.2012, where
> you'll get - Ruth - the requested explanation for the investigation:
>
> "The Romanian head of state, Ioan Antonescu, ordered investigations in
> both Kishinev and Czernowitz ghettos, trying to find if the state was
> defrauded in the process of deportation. So, the Romanian authorities didn’t
> try to see if abuses or crimes were comitted against the Jews, but to
> identify the corrupt officials. They failed doing so and corruption was
> probably the most important factor which kept Jews alive, or in our case
> in Czernowitz. Regarding the actions and activity of mayor Popovici you
> are not correct. If you read the conclusions of the inquiry commission,
> you’ll see that it cannot establish if Popovici or general Ionescu were
> corrupt, but nontheless they were responsible for all the ‘irregularities – which means here execeding the number of Jews allowed in the city. The easiest way of getting rid of members of Romanian administration was to label them as ‘corrupt’. The Romanian Special Services were watching very close all of the mayor’s actions. They even investigated if his wife was Jewish or not. Efforts to maintain in Czernowitz a large number of jews have generated numerous accusations of corruption, especially against mayor and the commission members. There is no doubt that in return for writing down one’s name on the authorisation some members of the commission took money, but I don’t think this is the case of Traian Popovici or general Vasile Ionescu, as I don’t have any evidence of this. [...]"
>
> Wanda, I'm sorry to contradict you, but "Romanian style" is not always
> according to our prejudices. As a matter of fact, there is a trend in
> Romania to minimize the Romanian Holocaust, but researchers like Liviu
> Carare, Mariana Hausleitner and others, as well as our group, are doing
> their very best to uncover the truth!
>
>
> Edgar Hauster
> Lent/The Netherlands
>
>
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