Re: [Cz-L] our origins

Hallo Charles,
 So we are Spharads !
   That is if we trace to the early settlers of 1408.
  In our family the Spanish origin did not show .

 And Constantinople was the biggest city of the world .
 The Ottomans took it only 50 years later.
   Their trade was in Jewish hands and one of the supply
    lines was Lemberg- Yassy .
    First by carriages - then by rail .
     These are the facts - the rest are stories.
     Were these first- comers Spharads ?
       The expulsion of the Spanish Jews was in 1494
      that is 90 years of the founding of Czernowitz.
     So if they settled there it was at a later stage.
      It still puzzles me why should jews from Granada or Toledo
    settle pinkt on the Prut ?
    Geih weiss ! (Yiddish expression showing low credibility )

Hardy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Rosner" <frenchczern1_at_yahoo.com>
To: "Czernowitz Genealogy and History" <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] our origins

> [Please post in Plain Text --thanks]
>
> Hi Merle! And Hi Hardy!
> From what I read, you are both right:
> It=E2=80=99s not a rumor, the very first Jews to settle in Bukowina were
> Se=
> phardim,=C2=A0as evidenced by some Jewish tombstones. But in those times,
> t=
> he population of Bukowina was very small, as was the number of Jewish
> famil=
> ies, and that is why we do not speak Ladino.
> Then, Jewish traders coming from the West (from today=E2=80=99s Germany
> and=
> later from Poland-Lithuania) reached Bukowina; some settled, starting
> smal=
> l businesses, etc. Some others, who at first had gone further East and
> Nort=
> h, came back to Bukowina. Of course, Khmelnitski murdered a lot of Jews in
> =
> Ukraine and Poland, but Bukowina didn=E2=80=99t have yet so many Jews. At
> t=
> he time the province was taken over by the Habsburg, Sadagura was a small
> R=
> ussian coins factory with many Jewish workers. It is only in the 19th
> centu=
> ry that 3 or 4 important immigration waves took place, be it =C2=A0because
> =
> of better (or less bad) social conditions for Jews in Galicia, or because
> o=
> f the pogroms in Russia and elsewhere.
> Those of us who are able to trace their ancestors back to the 18th or 17th
> =
> century (or even further) are very lucky, because most Jewish records of
> th=
> ese times have disappeared for obvious reasons. I know, for instance, that
> =
> my Rosner branch came early 19th century from the neighborhood of Kolomea,
> =
> but I can prove it only to Wiznitz around 1825-35; other ancestors (the
> Pic=
> ker) were early 19th century in Sadagura and others in Zaleszcsyki (the
> Wag=
> ner, late 19th century), etc.
> Regards,
> Charles

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