RE: [Cz-L] Our origin.

Hi Alex..,you are absolutely right in most of what you say,but a big BUT,you
can trace migrations by using haplogroups etc...I am trying to keep it
simple...and it could be difficult for an individual,but quite possible for
a group or a specific population.....such as migrating Jews! Cornel

-----Original Message-----
From: alexander rosner [mailto:alexanderrosner_at_yahoo.de]
Sent: 22 April 2012 14:32
To: Miriam Taylor; Cornel Fleming; HARDY BREIER; CZERNOWITZ-L
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Our origin.

Let me add another 3 cents to the discussion about our origin as a reply to
Cornel and Mimi.

Cornel, the offered (and quite expensive) DNA analysis is usually one of two
methods or a combination of both: The analysis of the Y-chromosomal DNA
which is passed from father to son unchanged (except. mutations) and mDNA
which is passed from mother to the children, also usually unchanged. This
way one can maybe find his patrilineage and matrilineage. Your example with
the Cohen marker is true and interesting.

However, you have many other lineages which are not tested, not analysed by
these offered tests, to begin with the matrilineage of your father and the
patrilineage of your mother. In every generation back you have more
lineages, missed by these tests, which will never show all of your
ancestors, probably only a small part of them.

On the other hand lineages will probably cross several times many
generations back, just because there never have been so many people in the
past to have for instance 100 generations of not related ancestors. I read
somewhere that a big chunk of Ashkenazim descend (matrilieage) from only 4
female ancestors which originated in the Middle East. This way many of us
may be somehow related :-)

In addition to this I tried to explain in my last mail, that some true
ancestors (in rare occasions) may not pass any DNA information to us (not
true for Y-chromosome and mDNA). These ancestors will never be discovered by
any test, beside the fact, that the usual tests wouldn't even try to provide
this info.

Mimi, to have Rashi as an ancestor can make one very proud, even without the
speculation of King David descent.
It is probably not true that all Jews at any time were or are of King David
descent, just because the number of Jews is or was less than the number of
his possible descendants. During the last 3000 years the lineages of
different Jews from his times may have crossed more than one time, so we
never know individually, and for Jews as a collective, I would say, this is
something for an expert on statistics.

Alex

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