RE: [Cz-L] Our origin.

From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:30:10 +0100
To: 'Miriam Taylor' <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
Reply-to: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>

Mimi ....in 1879 the places you mention were part of Hungary,not Austria.
That is why K&k (Kaiser und Koenig), in the Dual Monarchy. I suspect that
the arrival of the beigelmacher out of the blue convinced the Hungarian
recruiters that he was a volunteer so they grabbed him!! Maybe Israel buzzed
off to Czernowitz..which was Austrian.not Hungarian, because the Beigelman
decided to tell the truth and get back to his wife!!! (and out of
uniform!) Cornel

Sent: 22 April 2012 16:46
To: Cornel Fleming
Cc: 'HARDY BREIER'; 'CZERNOWITZ-L'
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Our origin.

 

I am not a sophist, but I did study Math.

My great-grandfather, Israel Steinmetz was born in 1858,

but he evaded conscription in 1879.

Borsa and all Maramures was at that time part of Austro-Hungary.

I have no idea for how long people were conscripted,

but I have writings of my grandfather in which he recounts the story.

Here the details:

The Beigalech provider from another town came to the grocery

of Israel's father and told that he had gone for the medical examination

before conscription and had been found not healthy.

So they convinced the Beigalech provider to pretend that he

was Israel Steinmetz and go to the medical examination in Borsa.

He did as asked, was found fit and was conscripted.

Israel Steinmetz had to pay for the Beigalech provider's wife's

and children's sustenance, which he did. But the wife was greedy

and asked for more and more money, so he fled to Czernowitz.

 

Israel Steinmetz stayed in Czernowitz till about 1910, then returned

to Borsa, where he died in 1940.

 

All because of the Beigalach!

 

Mimi

 

  

On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:23 AM, cornel fleming wrote:

Mimi, the word "sophistry" rears its head at this point!! I am also
slightly curious about your ancestor in 1858. At that time the town to which
you refer was not under Austrian control...it was ruled by the Hungarian
part of the Empire which did not recruit Jews to the regular forces. Very
occasionally they were selectively and after a medical examination called up
for about 60 days for basic training and then sent home as a reserve in case
of a major war. So have you any more bits of that story???? Cornel
PS Sent home because reserves were not paid so it made life cheaper for the
Hungarian military budget.

 

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