Re: [Cz-L] Discrimination Thread

 You are right about nearly everything, except:

1) The Romanians in 1941/2 took a lot of apartments from the Jews who
stayed in Czernowitz. It was not a general decision to take the
apartments but any Romanian official had the right to requisition
flats that were occupied or belonged to Jews and most larger
apartments were taken away if they were not in the Jewish quarter
and some even there.

2) The Soviets did not confiscate all private property.Owners of
single apartments were allowed to keep them and provided they were not
deported later as former "capitalists" were allowed in 1944 to confirm
former registration of ownership.I know of both cases by what happened
to my family, and also to some friends and acquaintances.

It is almost certain that to-day a part of those apartments are in new
property, but most are still rented. At the time we left Cz. in 1945
there was no possibility to sell an officially owned apartment but you
could rent it for a period of three years getting the rent in advance,
and that gave the new occupant the right to stay on in it
indefinitely. It might well be that having such a contract gave the
new occupant later the right to be the owner or to receive in some way
belated ownership. This all of course is relevant to apartments whose
private ownership was recognized by the soviets in 1940 and later in
1945.

Und wenn sie nicht gestorben sind dann leben sie noch heute.

Berti.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Cornel, I will not shout at you. Most, or all, stores factories
> and offices, which till the summer of 1940 were owned
> either by Jews or non Jews, were confiscated by the Soviets.
> When the Romanians returned in 1941, they confiscated
> the Jewish commercial properties, but let those Jews,
> who were not deported, remain in their apartments.
> Then the Russians returned, all commercial properties
> were taken over by the government, but I do not know whether
> they only officially confiscated apartments which were deserted
> or all apartments. I also do not know, whether currently,
> the people who live in the houses or apartments once owned,
> by those who left the city, own these dwellings or rent them
> from the state or the city.
>
> Does anyone know definitely?
>
> Mimi
>
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:37 PM, cornel fleming wrote:
>
>> This will probably get me shouted at..but!! A lot of these properties were simply abandoned by Jews who left the Soviet paradise and went over the nearest border,legally or otherwise. Just exactly what were the local population supposed to do..leave them empty and decaying until the previous inhabitants reappeared some 40 or 70 years later?? Also there is the not so minor fact that a lot of these places were not owned outright but rented,often from other Jews who also left. Yes,there were commercial properties seized by the Russians,as were community-owned buildings,and these latter items is what should be covered by restitution....which will only become likely if the Ukraine ever joins the EU. Cornel
>>
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