Re: [Cz-L] Help with family history puzzle

Caryn

I cannot tell if anyone responded to your question with greater
expertise than mine (not much), but here goes my attempt.

As you note at the bottom, Jewish births often were not registered with
the civil authorities throughout Eastern Europe. In those situations,
the child often received the mother's maiden name or other surname --
not the father's. That was the case with my grandmother Golda (Gussie)
to took her mother's surname Weininger and not her father's surname
Kantorczy or Kantorji.

Repetition of first names in the same generation was also sometimes
unnervingly common. My great grandfather Lazar Wolf Rosenberg in Tirgu
Frumos, Romania had two wives (sequentially) named Leah and a son by
each of them called "Itzaak" (the older) or "Itzik" (the younger) with
the different pronunciations to tell them apart. Go figure. . . .

In my grandmother Golda's father's family, there appear to have been at
least three first cousins, all named Schmuel -- or Sam, once they
reached the USA.

Immigration records can be funny for these kinds of naming reasons, and
for other complications related to documentation. My grandmother
Golda's older sister Rivka sent a ticket in 1920 from New York to their
mother Bertha Weininger in Czernowitz to come to America. But Bertha
was over 60 years old and thought that she was too old and that America
could not possibly be kosher enough (the family farm business was cholov
Isroel -- kosher milk and dairy products). So she gave the ticket to
Golda, the baby of the family. However, the ticket had the name Bertha
written indelibly on it. So, Golda had to go to Bucharest (then the
capital of the Romanianized Bukovina) to buy a false identity paper in
the name of Bertha, aged 20. Her Ellis Island record shows her passage
as Bertha -- correct dates, port of embarkation, and ship but the wrong
first name. Certainly the Ellis Island record that my cousin Harris
found gave him and me a wild ride until we finally understood that piece
of the puzzle.

I suppose that makes me the spawn of an "illegal immigrant" -- so,
deport me already!

So, if these stories will help you feel any better, you are not alone in
these aspects of your family puzzle.

As for the surname Klinger, I have some documentation on the connection
between the Klinger, Rapplefeld, Rennert, Ribner, and Weininger families
in the farming villages of Drachinets and Costesti to the west of Cz.

Hope this helps,

Marc

On 4/9/13 5:39 AM, Caryn Wariner wrote:
> Hi to all!
>
> I need some help from the group who understand how things were back in the early 1900's. I can't figure out who Berta Klinger was! Maybe someone in the group can help me solve the mystery!!!!! Here are the facts as I see them. Note the difference that Malka was a Kligler and Berta was a Klinger.
>
> 1. Berta was living in the same house with my great grandmother Malka Kligler Weisinger
> 2. On Malks's emigration ship records it says Malka was living with Berta Klinger, her sister,when she emigrated so we know that to be true.
> 3. Below's death record translation of Bert's daughter Ruchel also confirms Zalel and Malka Kligler Weisinger lived in the same apartment as Berta Klinger
> 4. Berta would have to marry a Klinger to be one and would have been Berta Kligler Klinger if she did.
> 5. I know have a copy of the Kligler family tree and Malka didn't have a sister she only has 3 brothers according to the tree.
> 6. Malka did have nieces and cousins named Berta.
> 7. Malka also had a daughter named Beenah (Berta in English) but she would have been born in the late 1800's.
> 8. I guess Beenah could have married a Klinger young and had had Ruchel but Malka says it is her sister on the emigration records!
> 9. Ruchel was also name of Malka's mother and Malka.s oldest daughter.
> 10. No father listed on Ruchel's death record for some reason.
> 11. Berta couldn't be a sister in law because her last name would have been Kligler!
>
> I giver up.
>
>
> Death record of Ruchel Klinger:
>
> Died July 4, 1913, 10 p.m., Cernowitz
>
> buried July 6, 1913, Cernowitz
>
> Ruchel Klinger, illegitimate daughter of the pensioner Berta Klinger, born in Sadagora
>
> Cernowitz, Russische Gasse 122 h
>
> female
>
> age 8 years
>
> single
>
> Gastroenteritis
>
> Note: Most jewish births are deemed illegitimate because the marriage was not registered by the civil authorities.
>

Dr. Marc M. Cohen, Arch.D
Marc M. Cohen, Architect P. C.
4260 Terman Drive #104
Palo Alto, CA 94306-3864
http://www.astrotecture.com
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