RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"

From: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com_at_nowhere.org>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:24:25 +0100
To: Sasha Wolloch <sasha_at_raltron.com>


Dear Sasha, thank you so much for your mail, a Happy New Year to you too and be sure, I'll never follow Hardy's order "Don’t bring us books where Jews are negatively described ! We cannot swallow this !" as long as the books are relevant for a better understanding of the Bukovinian history and no doubt about, both the books suggested by you 1. Der Wucher in der Bukowina [Ursury in Bukovina] by Julius Platter, 2. The Jews of Barnow [Die Juden von Barnow] by Karl Emil Franzos, have this relevance and will be available at our Czernowitz Book Corner soon. Warmest wishes to all of you and please "stay tuned" for the Book of the Month, February 2015, wich is a real gem. Edgar Hauster ---------------------------------------- > From: sasha_at_raltron.com > To: bconcept@hotmail.com > CC: merlek@bell.net; eshet1@netvision.net.il; romers@shaw.ca > Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch" > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 10:34:00 -0500 > > > Hello Edgar and friends, > > Happy New Year 2015! > Thank you for not forgetting the Platter book. > Here is another piece by Karl Emil Franzos which probably completes the > picture. > Franzos went to high school in Czernowitz and was certainly exposed first > hand to the atmosphere of his time. > http://www.hsozkult.de/hfn/event/id/termine-2741?language=en > > By the way, I also found amazing the tone and the spirit of the book preface > by a New York journalist of the 1880's, Barnet Phillips. Little things we > really didn't know about... > > > All the best, > Sasha > -----Original Message----- > From: Edgar Hauster [mailto:bconcept@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 12:07 PM > To: Jerome Schatten; Czernowitz Discussion Group > Cc: Merle Kastner; Yosef Eshet; Sasha Wolloch > Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch" > > Dear Jerome, > > Thank you so much for your comments with respect to the Book of the Month, > January 2015, at the Czernowitz Book Corner > > http://czernowitzbook.blogspot.de/2015/01/a-sanguine-bunch.html > > and, YES x 3 to your remarks, i. e.: > > 1. YES, the "Historical Overview" seems to mee too to be somehow > undifferentiated and Yosi discovered another inaccuracy concerning the > definition of Transnistria. On the other hand, I read the chapter "Jews and > the Local Economy" [p. 204 - 208] and partly the "Summary and Coclusion" [p. > 433 - 436]. In my eyes H. F. van Drunen tries to dispel the myth, that the > social coexistence under Austrian rule was tension-free and anti-Semitism is > a phenomenon of the 1920s/1930s. In this respect I'm following his drift. > > 2. YES, you are completely right, "usury, usurer, usurers" are not at all > neutral terms and are inextricably linked with anti-Semitism. Therefore you > are of course not at all "too sensitive around this issue". "Usury" was - > and perhaps still is? - a common stereotype and an upcoming Book of the > Month - perhaps as early as March 2015 - will be Julius Platter's "Ursury in > Bukovina" [Der Wucher in der Bukowina] from the year 1878, beyond any doubt, > an anti-Semitic tractate. On the other hand, Platter's book suggested to me > by our fellow member Sasha Wolloch, is a very important contemporary > document and enlightening with respect to the rise of anti-Semitism in > Bukowina; therefore I believe H. F. van Drunen is quoting Julius Platter > quite frequently anf therefore I'm going to publish "Ursury in Bukovina" at > the Czernowitz Book Corner as well, of course accompanied by the appropriate > comments/warnings. > > 3. YES, this discussion stands for our Czernowitz-L Discussion Group at it's > best and I strongly encourage more of our fellow members to "disassemble" H. > F. van Drunen's thesis and to verify or to falsify our impressions. > > Thank you so much for your comments! > > > Edgar Hauster > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:47:18 -0800 >> From: romers@shaw.ca >> To: bconcept@hotmail.com; czernowitz-l@cornell.edu >> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch" >> >> Hi Edgar.... Thanks for this! I think if one reads nothing else of >> this thesis, the 'Historical Overview', is very readable and valuable. >> Some of the language however, I find disturbing -- for example: >> >> " ...Jewish property steadily increased once the 1867 Constitution had >> eliminated the last possession restrictions for Jews. >> Many peasants lost their >> only recently acquired land to (often Jewish) usurers when they were >> unable to repay their loans in the difficult years 1866-68. Until the >> savings bank (Sparkasse) was founded, only private money lending was >> possible and mainly provided by usurers which in turn provoked >> outbursts of anti-Semitism. The Orthodox Church Fund continued to be >> the biggest landowner throughout the years and while it had the >> opportunity to improve the situation by leasing land to small farmers, >> it chose to lease land and forests to (again, mostly >> Jewish) entrepreneurs >> who were financially able to engage in long-term contracts." >> >> 'Usurer(s)', is not a value neutral term, and coupled with the >> parenthetical remark(s) 'usually, mostly, again mostly Jewish', seems >> like setting up the Jews to be responsible for their own eventual >> demise. Although the author never makes this case, the way this part >> of his history was constructed, left me with a feeling that I've heard >> all this before, and it doesn't end up well. >> >> It may be the case that I'm too sensitive around this issue, or that >> I'm misreading the intent of the author, still, something doesn't sit > right. >> I would have thought that in the dissertation process, this >> construction might have raised a flag amongst the author's thesis > advisors. >> >> Best, >> jerome >> >> On 2015-01-01 7:54 AM, Edgar Hauster wrote: >>> Czernowitzers, dear friends... >>> >>> Happy New Year to all of you! Let's inaugurate the new year by the > release of the Book of the Month, January 2015, at our Czernowitz Book > Corner: >>> >>> http://czernowitzbook.blogspot.de/2015/01/a-sanguine-bunch.html >>> >>> "'A Sanguine Bunch' - Regional Identification in Habsburg Bukovina, > 1774-1919" is the doctoral thesis - in English language [!] - defended by > Hieronymus Franciscus van Drunen at the University of Amsterdam in September > 2013; Prof. Dr. J. Th. Leerssen and Prof. Dr. D. J. Deletant were the > prominent thesis advisors. >>> >>> On Jewish Bukovina, please continue reading Part II - Bukovinians 3, > chap. 3.5 - 3.7, p. 201 - 245, and learn more on: >>> >>> - The Jewish Presence in Bukovina [3.5, p. 201] >>> - Jews and the Local Economy [3.5, p. 204] >>> - The Social Position of Bukovinian Jews [3.5, p. 208] >>> - Jewish Nationalism in Bukovina [3.6, p. 216] >>> - Anti-Semitism and Bukovina: Attacks and Vindications [3.7, p. 224] >>> - Bukovinian National Movements and Anti-Semitism [3.7, p. 227] >>> - Popular Anti-Semitism [3.7, p. 239] >>> >>> There are not too many books in English that tell the story of our > favorite region, so I'm encouraging you to download your FREE COPY of the > dissertation and to read it and share it with your relatives! >>> >>> Stay "tuned" for the next edition of Book of the Month, to be >>> released at: http://czernowitzbook.blogspot.de/ >>> >>> Edgar Hauster >>> >>> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------- This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on >> the subject of Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. >> The opinions expressed in these posts are the opinions of the original >> poster only and not necessarily the opinions of the List Owner, the >> Webmaster or any other members or entities connected with this mailing >> list. 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