Hi Dale! I have no doubt that there were poor Jews as well as well-off
ones. And compared to Chicago it would have been worse! Yet...they seem to
have been able to get the money for the trip to the USA. Cow dung was used
for fuel...I have never heard of it being used for flooring...so if anybody
out there knows....?? Yet..there are lots of books about Czernowitz but
I have not come across any about Sadagura except for many references to the
Friedman Dynasty and their lifestyle...who were anything but typical!!
Cornel
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Prince [mailto:daleprince_at_hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 3:14 AM
To: 'cornel fleming'; 'jerome schatten'; 'CZERNOWITZ-L'
Cc: 'Frederick M. Weisinger'; 'Anny Matar'
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
Hi Cornel,
Your words about economic conditions remind me of a couple of things to
suggest there were in fact places in Bukowina where persistent poverty
existed near prosperity, education, and high culture.
Many years ago I was able to interview several older relatives who had known
the immigrant generation of our extended family that settled in Chicago.
Most of the immigrants were born in Sadagora between 1875 and 1900,
emigrated as young adults, and had childhood recollections of Sadagora
(Rohozna, to be exact). My grandfather was born there about 1879 and left
at about age 20. All the relatives I spoke with emphasized how poor our
family had been in Sadagora. Of course this could be an exaggeration
reinforced by repeated retelling, but over the years an extended family of
at least 40 individuals left the town for America. One relative told me
that my grandfather said they were so poor the floor of the home was of cow
dung. I don't know whether this is to be believed literally. Could this be
true? According to an encyclopedia article I have seen about Sadagora,
there was a part of the town where people lived in such misery that it was
popularly called -- if I remember correctly -- Babylonia.
Dale Prince
New York
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-118672496-3499338_at_list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-118672496-3499338_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of cornel
fleming
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 5:00 AM
To: 'jerome schatten'; 'CZERNOWITZ-L'
Cc: 'Frederick M. Weisinger'; 'Anny Matar'
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
Hi all! At this stage I want to add my bit! I too had the "Jerome"
impression..but he said it better than I could! But...now the comment re
"persistent economic misery"....this is arrant nonsence.Of course there were
poorer people and richer people,but all my books seem to say that overall
the Bukowina was a prosperous area with well-developed social,cultural, and
educational facilities....and that is certainly not an area of total
economic misery. None of my very extended family were in a money-lending etc
business and all were reasonably well-off and working in the timber trade,in
Law, in Medicine, in Music teaching,in Journalism etc etc. The author of
this dissertation seems to have had a few prejudices!!!!! Cornel
-----Original Message-----
From: bounce-118671230-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-118671230-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of jerome
schatten
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:42 PM
To: CZERNOWITZ-L
Cc: Frederick M. Weisinger; Anny Matar
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
Fred...
At first I could not understand what you were getting at when you said:
"The tittle does tell a lot about the direction of the book". Then, this
morning, Anny Mater wrote to me: "...Jew hatred was nothing new and the
title "sanguine"= French, for bloodsuckers can't really tell anything
favorable about the Jews."
I began to see the multiple ways in which 'sanguine' is being used and
interpreted by the folks discussing this thread. So... how to really
understand the 'title', "A Sanguine Bunch"?
It is my understanding that 'sanguine', usually refers to a rosy, optimistic
disposition, or one's favouring the best possible outcome.
At the very end of the summary section, talking about the 1908 Celebrations
in Vienna, the author says:
"Czernowitz had commemorated its 500th existence shortly before with a
parade focusing on Austrian accomplishments [...] It was hardly surprising
that in the press the traditional criticism surfaced again: nobody in the
West really knew about Bukovina and the cheerful folksy tableaux on display
hid the persistent economic misery in the land."
Is it posible that this may be the 'sanguinity' in the title rather than
'bloodsucking'. In other words, the 'Pollyanna-ish' attitude of the
Monarchy?
Best,
jerome
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