Oops, sorry for confusion. The mail below ist the correct one to the List, displaying the right link. Please disregard the one before.<br><br>Thank you!<br><br><br>Edgar Hauster<br><br><br>----------------------------------------<br>> From: bconcept_at_hotmail.com<br>> To: grcpa99@att.net<br>> CC: czernowitz-l@cornell.edu<br>> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your 8/15/15 email<br>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 08:47:36 +0200<br>><br>> Gary…<br>><br>> Please let me redirect you to the page 78 out of 91, which displays the Romanian census pages no. 120/121 you are looking for. But in order to make it even more easier to use, I’ve posted all four pages for the Czernowitz Department - including page no. 120/121 for the Czernowitz Municipality - at our Ehpes.com Blog:<br>><br>>
http://ehpes.com/blog1/2015/08/25/census-of-romania-for-the-year-1930-czernowitz-department/<br>><br>> I do hope these data will be useful to you!<br>><br>> Edgar Hauster<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------<br>> > From: grcpa99@att.net<br>> > To: bconcept@hotmail.com<br>> > CC: czernowitz-l@cornell.edu<br>> > Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your 8/15/15 email<br>> > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:17:20 -0700<br>> ><br>> > 8-24-15<br>> ><br>> > Dear Mr. Hauster,<br>> ><br>> > I downloaded the original General Census of the Population of Romania as per<br>> > 29th December 1930 as per the link that you provided. According to the<br>> > "frame" (window top) there are 91 pages. However if you scroll through the<br>> > pages which are numbered in Roman numerals, there are no pages 120/121.<br>> > After page 109 (C1X) there are six pages of maps. The next page after the<br>> > 6th page of maps is numbered 125 (CXXV) and the bottom of that page says<br>> > "Volume 2". Then there are another eight pages of maps followed immediately<br>> > by page 143 (CXLIII). In addition, I don't read Rumanian but I do read<br>> > Spanish and can basically work my way through the wording.<br>> ><br>> > Are you sure your reference to pages 120/121 is correct?<br>> ><br>> > Can you please provide assistance?<br>> ><br>> > Thank you Sir.<br>> ><br>> > Gary Rogovin<br>> ><br>> > .<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept@hotmail.com><br>> > To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa1@gmail.com><br>> > Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l@cornell.edu><br>> > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:59 AM<br>> > Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your<br>> > 8/12/15 email<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Gary...<br>> ><br>> > Let me make one more attempt to get a response to your questions:<br>> ><br>> > 1. The number of non-Jews for the Municipality of Czernowitz was not a<br>> > deduction from my side, but relies on the data out of the General Census of<br>> > the Population of Romania as per 29th December 1930.<br>> ><br>> > 2. Please download the original General Census of the Population of Romania<br>> > as per 29th December 1930 at<br>> ><br>> >
http://hauster.de/data/CensusRomania1930.pdf<br>> ><br>> > and scroll down to pages 120/121. In the line no. 1 you'll find as total<br>> > number for population of the Municipality of Czernowitz/Municipiul Cernauti<br>> > 112,427, to be subdivided as follows:<br>> ><br>> > 42,592 Jews<br>> > 69,835 non-Jews, i. e.<br>> ><br>> > 30,367 Romanians<br>> > 568 Hungarians<br>> > 16,359 Germans<br>> > 1,521 Russians<br>> > 11,130 Ruthenians<br>> > 29 Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians<br>> > 78 Bulgarians<br>> > 226 Czechs, Slovacs<br>> > 8,986 Poles<br>> > 11 Greeks<br>> > 59 Armenians<br>> > 30 Turks<br>> > 19 Gagauz people<br>> > 15 Gypsies<br>> > 103 others<br>> > 334 non declared<br>> ><br>> > 3. Please check kine no. 1 column 33 on page 121. There you are going to<br>> > find for the Municipality of Czernowitz/Municipiul Cernauti 32,731 people,<br>> > who declared having Yiddish as mother tongue.<br>> ><br>> > 4. I always assumed that all those people, who declared having Yiddish as<br>> > their mother tongue, were Jews.<br>> ><br>> > I do hope, dear Gary, these answers to your four questions will be helpful<br>> > to you. Warmest wishes!<br>> ><br>> > Edgar Hauster<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----------------------------------------<br>> >> From: grcpa1@gmail.com<br>> >> To: bconcept@hotmail.com<br>> >> CC: czernowitz-l@cornell.edu<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your<br>> >> 8/12/15 email<br>> >> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:23:17 -0700<br>> >><br>> >> 8-14-15<br>> >><br>> >> Dear Mr. Hauster,<br>> >><br>> >> Thank you for your immediately below email response.<br>> >><br>> >> Perhaps it is I who should say I'm sorry for the confusion, not yourself.<br>> >><br>> >> However, I do have the following questions:<br>> >><br>> >> 1) can you please tell me how you deduced that 69, 835 were non Jews. I<br>> >> understand that you multiplied 112,487 X 62.10 % to arrive at 69,835. But<br>> >> how did you come up with 62.10%?<br>> >><br>> >> 2) specifically where does the 69,835 come from? Can you direct me to the<br>> >> census that has that specific breakdown and how you calculated that<br>> >> figure?<br>> >><br>> >> 3) how did you arrive at the 32,731 figure?<br>> >><br>> >> 4) how do you know that none of the 32,731 (= 29.10 %) who declared<br>> >> Yiddish<br>> >> as their mother tongue were Jewish? Does that not seem unusual that out of<br>> >> that many Yiddish speaking persons, not one is a Jew?<br>> >><br>> >> Mr. Hauster, I do not mean to beat this to death. Your answers to the<br>> >> above<br>> >> four questions should hopefully provide the needed information to put this<br>> >> all to bed.<br>> >><br>> >> Thank you Sir.<br>> >><br>> >> Respectfully,<br>> >> Gary Rogovin<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ----- Original Message -----<br>> >> From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept@hotmail.com><br>> >> To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa1@gmail.com><br>> >> Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l@cornell.edu><br>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:47 AM<br>> >> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Gary...<br>> >><br>> >> Sorry for confusion and let me try to explain it in another way: In 1930<br>> >> the<br>> >> total population of the municipality of Cernauti (Czernowitz), i. e. the<br>> >> urban population, added up to<br>> >><br>> >> 112,427 inhabitants, out of which<br>> >><br>> >> 42,592 (= 37.90 %) were Jews,<br>> >> 69,835 (= 62.10 %) were non-Jews.<br>> >><br>> >> The summation of the three figures (42,592 + 32,731 + 42,932) DOESN'T WORK<br>> >> since these figures stand for the answer on three different questions,<br>> >> raised by the interviewers:<br>> >><br>> >> What is your nativity? 42,592 (= 37.90 %) declared themselves being<br>> >> Jewish.<br>> >> What is your monther tongue? 32,731 (= 29.10 %) declared Yiddish as mother<br>> >> tongue.<br>> >> What is your religion? 42,932 (= 38.20 %) declared Mozaic religion.<br>> >><br>> >> I do hope now, after mentioning the number of non-Jews (69,835 = 62.10 %)<br>> >> explicitly, the calculation becomes much more understandable. Sorry once<br>> >> again for confusion.<br>> >><br>> >> Edgar Hauster<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ----------------------------------------<br>> >>> From: grcpa1@gmail.com<br>> >>> To: bconcept@hotmail.com<br>> >>> CC: czernowitz-l@cornell.edu<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti<br>> >>> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:07:45 -0700<br>> >>><br>> >>> 8-12-15<br>> >>><br>> >>> Mr. Hauster,<br>> >>><br>> >>> Thank you for your reply. However, I still cannot reconcile the 112,427<br>> >>> total to your below breakdown of Jews AND non-Jews, out of which,<br>> >>> attention,<br>> >>> multiple entries,<br>> >>><br>> >>> 42,592 (= 37.90 %) were Jewish,<br>> >>> 32,731 (= 29.10 %) declared Yiddish as mother tongue,<br>> >>> 42,932 (= 38,20 %) declared Mozaic religion.<br>> >>><br>> >>> I assume that by multiple entries, you are referring to the above three<br>> >>> (45,592 +32,731+42,932).<br>> >>><br>> >>> Can you please show me how you arrived at 112,247 (i.e. X+Y+Z+ etc. =<br>> >>> 112,247)<br>> >>><br>> >>> Thank you sir.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Gary Rogovin<br>> >>><br>> >>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> >>> From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept@hotmail.com><br>> >>> To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa1@gmail.com>; "alexander rosner"<br>> >>> <alexanderrosner@yahoo.de>; "Hardy Breier" <hardy3@bezeqint.net>; "Cornel<br>> >>> Fleming" <cornel.fleming@virgin.net><br>> >>> Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l@cornell.edu><br>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:58 AM<br>> >>> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Gary...<br>> >>><br>> >>> According to the "Census of Romania for the Year 1930 for the Province of<br>> >>> Bukovina"<br>> >>><br>> >>>
http://czernowitz.blogspot.de/2014/05/census-of-romania-for-year-1930.html<br>> >>><br>> >>> the TOTAL population of the municipality of Cernauti (Czernowitz), i. e.<br>> >>> the<br>> >>> URBAN population, was in 1930:<br>> >>><br>> >>> 112,427 Jews AND non-Jews, out of which, attention, multiple entries,<br>> >>><br>> >>> 42,592 (= 37.90 %) were Jewish,<br>> >>> 32,731 (= 29.10 %) declared Yiddish as mother tongue,<br>> >>> 42,932 (= 38,20 %) declared Mozaic religion.<br>> >>><br>> >>> The Province of Bukovina in total was subdivided in 5 departments (URBAN<br>> >>> AND<br>> >>> RURAL POPULATION), namely:<br>> >>><br>> >>> 94,816 for the Campulung Department out of which 7,738 (= 8.20 %) were<br>> >>> Jewish,<br>> >>> 306,194 for the Cernauti Department out of which 51,247 (= 16.70 %) were<br>> >>> Jewish,<br>> >>> 160,778 for the Radauti Department out of which 11,508 (= 7.20 %) were<br>> >>> Jewish,<br>> >>> 169,894 for the Storojinet Department out of which 15,322 (= 9.00 %) were<br>> >>> Jewish,<br>> >>> 121,327 for the Suceava Department out of which 6,677 (= 5.50 %) were<br>> >>> Jewish,<br>> >>><br>> >>> 92,492 (= 10,80 %) were Jewish out of a total population of 853,009 for<br>> >>> the<br>> >>> Province of Bukovina. Among the non-Jews were:<br>> >>><br>> >>> 379,691 Romanians (= 44.50 %)<br>> >>> 11,881 Hungarians (= 1.40 %)<br>> >>> 75,533 Germans (= 8.90 %)<br>> >>> 7,948 Russians (= 0.90 %)<br>> >>> 236,130 Ruthenians (= 27.70 %)<br>> >>> 63 Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 133 Bulgarians (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 671 Czechs, Slovacs (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 30,580 Poles (= 3.60 %)<br>> >>> 12,437 Hutsuls (= 1.50 %)<br>> >>> 23 Greeks (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 1 Albanian (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 260 Armenians (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 49 Turks (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 28 Gaguz people (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>> 2,164 Gypsies (= 0.30 %)<br>> >>> 2,317 others (= 0.30 %)<br>> >>> 608 non declared (less than 0.10 %)<br>> >>><br>> >>> These figures make clear, why many of us refer to Czernowitz as a "Jewish<br>> >>> city", while the Jewish share of the population for the Bukovina in total<br>> >>> was just over 10 %. I do hope these data will be helpful to you (and<br>> >>> others)<br>> >>> and illustrate the multiethnicity of Bukovina.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Edgar Hauster<br>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >> This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject<br>> >> of<br>> >> Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions<br>> >> expressed<br>> >> in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not<br>> >> necessarily<br>> >> the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members<br>> >> or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has<br>> >> an associated web site at
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