RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your 8/15/15 email

From: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com_at_nowhere.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 08:45:31 +0200
To: Gary Rogovin <grcpa99_at_att.net>
Reply-To: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>



Gary...

Please let me redirect you to the page 78 out of 91, which displays the Romanian census pages no. 120/121 you are looking for. But in order to make it even more easier to use, I've posted all four pages for the Czernowitz Department - including page no. 120/121 for the Czernowitz Municipality - at our Ehpes.com Blog:

http://ehpes.com/blog1/2015/08/25/census-of-romania-for-the-year-1930-czernowitz-department/

I do hope these data will be useful to you!

Edgar Hauster


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> From: grcpa99_at_att.net
> To: bconcept_at_hotmail.com
> CC: czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your 8/15/15 email
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:17:20 -0700
>
> 8-24-15
>
> Dear Mr. Hauster,
>
> I downloaded the original General Census of the Population of Romania as per
> 29th December 1930 as per the link that you provided. According to the
> "frame" (window top) there are 91 pages. However if you scroll through the
> pages which are numbered in Roman numerals, there are no pages 120/121.
> After page 109 (C1X) there are six pages of maps. The next page after the
> 6th page of maps is numbered 125 (CXXV) and the bottom of that page says
> "Volume 2". Then there are another eight pages of maps followed immediately
> by page 143 (CXLIII). In addition, I don't read Rumanian but I do read
> Spanish and can basically work my way through the wording.
>
> Are you sure your reference to pages 120/121 is correct?
>
> Can you please provide assistance?
>
> Thank you Sir.
>
> Gary Rogovin
>
> .
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa1_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:59 AM
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your
> 8/12/15 email
>
>
>
> Gary...
>
> Let me make one more attempt to get a response to your questions:
>
> 1. The number of non-Jews for the Municipality of Czernowitz was not a
> deduction from my side, but relies on the data out of the General Census of
> the Population of Romania as per 29th December 1930.
>
> 2. Please download the original General Census of the Population of Romania
> as per 29th December 1930 at
>
> http://hauster.de/data/CensusRomania1930.pdf
>
> and scroll down to pages 120/121. In the line no. 1 you'll find as total
> number for population of the Municipality of Czernowitz/Municipiul Cernauti
> 112,427, to be subdivided as follows:
>
> 42,592 Jews
> 69,835 non-Jews, i. e.
>
> 30,367 Romanians
> 568 Hungarians
> 16,359 Germans
> 1,521 Russians
> 11,130 Ruthenians
> 29 Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians
> 78 Bulgarians
> 226 Czechs, Slovacs
> 8,986 Poles
> 11 Greeks
> 59 Armenians
> 30 Turks
> 19 Gagauz people
> 15 Gypsies
> 103 others
> 334 non declared
>
> 3. Please check kine no. 1 column 33 on page 121. There you are going to
> find for the Municipality of Czernowitz/Municipiul Cernauti 32,731 people,
> who declared having Yiddish as mother tongue.
>
> 4. I always assumed that all those people, who declared having Yiddish as
> their mother tongue, were Jews.
>
> I do hope, dear Gary, these answers to your four questions will be helpful
> to you. Warmest wishes!
>
> Edgar Hauster
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: grcpa1_at_gmail.com
>> To: bconcept_at_hotmail.com
>> CC: czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti: your
>> 8/12/15 email
>> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:23:17 -0700
>>
>> 8-14-15
>>
>> Dear Mr. Hauster,
>>
>> Thank you for your immediately below email response.
>>
>> Perhaps it is I who should say I'm sorry for the confusion, not yourself.
>>
>> However, I do have the following questions:
>>
>> 1) can you please tell me how you deduced that 69, 835 were non Jews. I
>> understand that you multiplied 112,487 X 62.10 % to arrive at 69,835. But
>> how did you come up with 62.10%?
>>
>> 2) specifically where does the 69,835 come from? Can you direct me to the
>> census that has that specific breakdown and how you calculated that
>> figure?
>>
>> 3) how did you arrive at the 32,731 figure?
>>
>> 4) how do you know that none of the 32,731 (= 29.10 %) who declared
>> Yiddish
>> as their mother tongue were Jewish? Does that not seem unusual that out of
>> that many Yiddish speaking persons, not one is a Jew?
>>
>> Mr. Hauster, I do not mean to beat this to death. Your answers to the
>> above
>> four questions should hopefully provide the needed information to put this
>> all to bed.
>>
>> Thank you Sir.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Gary Rogovin

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