Another powerful idea for commemoration. I wonder how to compare the advantages and disadvantages of each . . .
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From: Christian Herrmann <cyberorange_at_gmx.de>
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Dear Edgar, dear all,
My suggestion would be Mykhailivka concentration camp - the place where Czernowitz poetress Selma Merbaum died from Typhus and Czernowitz painter Arnold Daghani survived. The camp was a Soviet collective farm before the war and served the same purpose again after the war was over. The buildings of the farm/camp are still there - now slowly crumbling away.
https://goo.gl/maps/ZF6rhUFk1Tj6vbH17
I visited the site in 2016 with list member Sylvia de Swaan. There was no memorial at that time and I don't believe there is one today. Somewhere in the fields there must also be a mass grave. As far as I know it has not even identified so far and subsequently there is no marker. Mass grave markers are of course a sensitive topic. They help to commemorate but they also attract professionals who are looting such places. Nevertheless one may consider it as there are since some years experiences of how to commemorate and by the same time protect such places.
Since the vaccination campaign makes progress and the number of Corona infections is low at the moment I hope to return to Czernowitz for some days in early September.
Warm wishes,
Christian
Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Juli 2021 um 23:16 Uhr
Von: "RUTH GOLD" <glasgold_at_bellsouth.net>
An: "Benjamin Grilj" <b.grilj_at_perspectiveast.com>
Cc: "czernowitz Group via cornell server" <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
Betreff: Re: [czernowitz-l] Commemoration of the Holocaust in Bukovina and Transnistria - Your Feedback is Requested!
Dear Czernowitzers,
It is very quiet in our group indeed. The Pandemic has to do a lot with this silence, as it has almost paralyzed our thoughts and feelings. This was not the time to think about memorials…
If it must be done now, let us all vote for a place. I do agree with Benjamin that the deportation left from somewhere, but not a station. I don’t know if it at all possible, but my choice would be the Temple, now Movie House.
The other choice would be the entrance to the Ghetto.
Let us all put our heads together en suggest places.
Stay well,
Ruth
> On Jul 23, 2021, at 11:55 PM, Benjamin Grilj <b.grilj_at_perspectiveast.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Steven,
> the deportation-trains left the city not from the main station, they started on the other side of the Pruth - this station is totally wrecked. Nobody is there.
> If I had a free choice I would choose the house of Eduard Reiss, first jewish mayor.
> Best, Benjamin
>
> send by my iPhone
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>> Am 24.07.2021 um 04:23 schrieb Stephen Winters <drstevewin_at_gmail.com>:
>>
>> Outstanding idea
>> How about at the entrance to the train station from where many of our families were deported
>> Stephen Winters
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:36 AM, Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Czernowitzers...
>>>
>>> It has become a bit quiet in our Czernowitz-L Discussion Group lately. This is not least due to the fact that the Corona pandemic has restricted travel to and from Czernowitz. Nevertheless, significant things are happening behind the scenes, which I will report on in the near future. The tireless efforts of some of our members have resulted in the current identification of potential financial resources to support the commemoration of the
>>>
>>> HOLOCAUST IN NORTHERN BUKOVINA AND TRANSNISTRIA.
>>>
>>> I myself have seen a number of monuments, commemorative plaques, etc. in Czernowitz, Mohyliv-Podilsky, Bershad, and elsewhere, but we all know that there are places in the region that were the scenes of terrible crimes, but where there is nothing at all to commemorate them.
>>>
>>> PLEASE SUGGEST SUITABLE LOCATIONS, EVENTS, NAMES FOR SUCH COMMEMORATIVE MONUMENTS!
>>>
>>> Let's use this unique opportunity to keep the memory of our ancestors as a reminder for future generations. We are looking very much forward to your feedback.
>>>
>>> Edgar Hauster
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