Re: [czernowitz-l] No longer verboten: Descendants of Holocaust survivors seek Austrian citizenship | The Times of Israel

From: Benjamin Grilj <b.grilj_at_perspectiveast.com_at_nowhere.org>
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 09:55:39 +0100
To: Batia Nimhoyzer <batia_n_at_afimilk.com>
Reply-To: Benjamin Grilj <b.grilj_at_perspectiveast.com>

Dear Batia,
I‘m sorry, that you were not informed properly, but according to the law (Abs VI, Par. 58c) your ancestors had to be registrated in „Bundesgebiet“ (i.e. Austrian Republics territory after 1921). So the former Crownlands are - and were never - in focus of the new (since 2019) Austrian citizenship law: https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFassung.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Gesetzesnummer=10005579
Best, Benjamin

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Am 11.12.2022 um 07:56 schrieb Batia Nimhoyzer <batia_n_at_afimilk.com>:



Hello,

 

My name is Batia Nimhauzer.

My grandfather was born in Czernowitz during the Austro-Hungarian regime.

So allegedly I was entitled to an Australian citizenship.

I got all my documents ready including my grandfarher birth certificate.

I went happily to the Australian chancellery in Israel. And guess what?

I had to bring evidence that my late grandfather was in Vienna during the war.

It was never written anywhere. According to the documents I received from the Australian chancellery I was entitled for a citizenship.

I don’t understand what kind of a new option opened here.

I felt misled and although I paid a few 1000 NIS to translate documents and get them apostilled , I never understood, how come if my grandfather was born in Austro-Hungarian regime, I had to bring evidence for him being in Vienna during the war.

My grandfather and all h the family who survived including my father were sent to Transdniestria Mogilev during the war.

 

I was very disappointed, and I don’t understand their "new" citizenship rules.

So, don’t get your hopes too high.

 

I gave up.

Batia Mimhouzer

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: bounce-127018351-87248299_at_list.cornell.edu <bounce-127018351-87248299_at_list.cornell.edu> On Behalf Of Jim Wald
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2022 11:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] No longer verboten: Descendants of Holocaust survivors seek Austrian citizenship | The Times of Israel

 

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Thanks, Alan.

Similar Austro-Hungarian questions (and region) here. I, too, will be interested to hear stories and advice from others.

Best,
Jim


On 12/10/22 03:58, Alan Gavurin wrote:

Thanks for sharing this interesting article.

 

2 years ago my brother and I looked into getting our citizenship from either Germany or Austria. Actually we also looked at Romania as well.

 

My grandparents were born in parts of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire. My grandpa in Wiznitz and my grandma in Kolomyya (both now Ukraine) in 1908 and 1911 respectively. They came to Germany 1930 where my mother was born. 

 

In the end getting German citizenship proved to be fairly straightforward once the law changed in summer 2021. (Before that point, even though my mother was born in Germany, we would not have qualified because my grandparents never became German citizens. Actually they weren’t ever allowed to become German citizens and this was what was changed in the new law.)

 

However, both of my grandparents were citizens of the Austro-Hungarian Empire so I was always interested in whether this qualified me for Australian citizenship. The process always looked more complicated and there were rumours that the Austrians were less “generous“ in the decisions that they made.

 

I would love to know anyone with similar family circumstances to mine was able to get Austrian citizenship through their grandparents being born in part of the full Austro-Hungarian Empire.

 

Alan

 

 

On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 at 21:31, Benjamin Grilj <b.grilj_at_perspectiveast.com> wrote:

Dear Jim,
thanks for sharing the text. But- and this was a broad discussion in AT before - doublecitizenship for descendants of the NS was never a topic in the law of 2019. it was always allowed.
Best, Benjamin

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> Am 09.12.2022 um 19:23 schrieb Jim Wald <jjwss_at_hampshire.edu>:
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> No longer verboten: Descendants of Holocaust survivors seek Austrian citizenship; After a revision of Austrian citizenship laws, candidates don’t need to give up their native passports. Read about Giuliana Schnitzler, Julie Bronder and Amy Feineman’s paths there
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> By RAQUEL G. FROHLICH
> 8 December 2022, 6:52 pm
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> Text and photos | The Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-longer-verboten-descendants-of-holocaust-survivors-seek-austrian-citizenship/?utm_source=The+Daily+Edition&utm_campaign=daily-edition-2022-12-09&utm_medium=email
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