Ethel Tillinger here is the link that Edgar provided us with for the movie
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Avyq9eDLfphogqhh7REoet-Gu4_reg?e=T154Kk
Warm regards
Mandy
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 12:00 AM Czernowitz Genealogy and History digest <
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> Subject: czernowitz-l digest: January 05, 2022
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> CZERNOWITZ-L Digest for Wednesday, January 05, 2022.
>
> 1. Edgar Hauster's film links
> 2. RE: Bugdanstowka on Jezerna
> 3. Re: Bugdanstowka on Jezerna
> 4. Re: Edgar Hauster's film links
>
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> From: Ethel Tillinger <ethelt_at_iinet.net.au>
> To:
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 22:21:37 +1100
> Subject: Edgar Hauster's film links
> Dear Edgar and Czernowitzers
>
> thanking you and expressing gratitude for the ongoing gems we share - warm
> treasures and tragic losses.
> My parents - like Cora Schwartz’s late husband - were survivors of
> Transnistria and the town of Mogilev (interesting web-links
> http://myshtetl.org/vinnitskaja/mogilev_en.html,
> https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/transnistria
> https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/romania
> https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/front-page/transnistria-the-forgotten-death-camp/2018/03/07/ )
> My parents Naftali and Paula Tillinger (nee Krumholtz) spoke very little
> about their experiences in Mogilev - my father said he wheeled his mother
> crippled with arthritis in a wheelbarrow towards the Dniester River. I
> remember him crying as he said she begged him to help her die so she would
> not be a burden to them. My mother described the house they were crammed
> into as having ice on the inside of the walls, they slept on the floor in a
> corridor and she was lucky enough to survive typhus.
> My father was a furrier and the family survival depended on his knowledge
> and skill - soldiers shot animals and my father knew 2 ways of “dressing
> and tanning” pelts - one way was with chemicals and the other with maize
> flour. He asked the soldiers for both to prepare and make fur collars so
> they could survive the cold. He used the chemicals for the furs and the
> maize flour for the family to eat.
>
> I would love the see the films Edgar Hauster has sent links to - I cannot
> find the email links and would be grateful if you could resend them.
>
> Warm wishes
> Ethel Tillinger
> Melbourne, Australia
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Daniel Dubowy <ddubowy_at_gmx.net>
> To:
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 10:31:56 -0500
> Subject: RE: Bugdanstowka on Jezerna
>
> Wow, Iosif, I am impressed.
>
>
>
> I had most information already, but Gedalje’s parents’ names is new
> information to me.
>
> Gedalje also had four boys, Michael my grandfather being one of them, the
> other three: Max, Schmul and Moses-Morris. Those three emigrated to the
> States.
>
> Also, my info per my father says that Gedalje was born in 1847, not in
> 1842, so I need to correct this in my records.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot, now I have work to do 😉
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-126178118-3499497_at_list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126178118-3499497_at_list.cornell.edu> *On Behalf Of *iosif vaisman
> *Sent:* 3-Jan-22 11:04 PM
> *To:* Daniel Dubowy <ddubowy_at_gmx.net>
> *Cc:* Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [czernowitz-l] Bugdanstowka on Jezerna
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
>
>
> your great grandfather was born in 1842 to Lazor and Chaje-Sara Dubowy in Ditkowce
> bei Załoźce. Ditkowce (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ditkowce) is a
> village 15 km SE of Załoźce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaliztsi).
>
>
>
> On July 4, 1894 Gedalje and his wife Jute-Rivka (nee Shapira, b. 1840)
> registered their marriage (
> http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/300/sygn.%202985/pages/1_300_0_0_2985_0015.htm).
> Since by that time they had several adult children, it is clear that the
> actual marriage happened a few decades earlier. It is possible that the
> registration was prompted by the impending marriage of their son Michael
> (b. 1867) to Ettel Ingwer-Leitner on March 11, 1896 (
> http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/300/sygn.%201784/pages/PL_1_300_1784_0026.htm).
> Two of Gedalje and Jute-Rivka's daughters, Freide and Salcia, married in
> 1905 and 1908 respectively. Freide was born in 1884 in Kozova (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozova) and her husband, Josef Auerhan, was
> from Kozova as well, which means that the Gedalje's family likely lived in
> Kozova at least in 1880s-1900s (
> http://agadd2.home.net.pl/metrykalia/300/sygn.%203166/pages/1_300_0_0_3166_0051.htm
> ).
>
>
>
> There are several hundred digitized Dubowy records from the Tarnopol
> region, so you can likely trace some other connections from them.
>
>
>
> best,
>
> Iosif
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 2:41 PM Daniel Dubowy <ddubowy_at_gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Czernowitzers, I trust you had a well-deserved holiday break and are
> all well.
>
>
>
> I am going through my father’s genealogical notes. He was born and raised
> in Czernowitz, but his grandfather was born, lived and died somewhere else
> in Galitia.
>
> My great grandfather, Gedalje Dubowy, was a land administrator of Kozowa
> estate, in Dilkowce near Zalowiec. None of these place names can be found
> nowadays just by google-ing them, but I don’t mind.
>
> He passed away in 1911 at Obszar Dworski Bugdanstowka on Jezerna. Obszar
> Dworski seems to simply be “township” in Polish, so as you may have
> guessed, I cannot find/identify Bugdanstowka either. This is something I’d
> like to find though.
>
>
>
> Can anyone help me with hints, advice?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> To:
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 16:20:16 +0000
> Subject: Re: Bugdanstowka on Jezerna
> Dear Daniel,
>
> Like you, I am overwhelmed - though not surprised - by Iosif's expertise.
> To make the measure full, I have picked out for you the entries on the
> Kozowa and Jezierna estates from the book "Schematism and Statistics -
> Schematismus und Statistik" (by separate mail), which is available in our
> Czernowitz Book Corner:
>
> http://czernowitzbook.blogspot.com/2020/02/schematismus-und-statistik.html
>
> And, yes, "Obszar dworski" means as much as estate management. Isn't that
> great, how the collective competence of our group works? Warmest wishes to
> you and a Happy New Year!
>
> Edgar Hauster [MacBook]
>
> ________________________________________
> From: bounce-126182884-8322570_at_list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126182884-8322570_at_list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Daniel Dubowy <
> ddubowy_at_gmx.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 16:31
> To: 'iosif vaisman'
> Cc: Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
> Subject: RE: [czernowitz-l] Bugdanstowka on Jezerna
>
> Wow, Iosif, I am impressed.
>
> I had most information already, but Gedalje’s parents’ names is new
> information to me.
> Gedalje also had four boys, Michael my grandfather being one of them, the
> other three: Max, Schmul and Moses-Morris. Those three emigrated to the
> States.
> Also, my info per my father says that Gedalje was born in 1847, not in
> 1842, so I need to correct this in my records.
>
>
> Thanks a lot, now I have work to do 😉
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> From: bounce-126178118-3499497_at_list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126178118-3499497_at_list.cornell.edu> On Behalf Of iosif vaisman
> Sent: 3-Jan-22 11:04 PM
> To: Daniel Dubowy <ddubowy_at_gmx.net>
> Cc: Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Bugdanstowka on Jezerna
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> your great grandfather was born in 1842 to Lazor and Chaje-Sara Dubowy in
> Ditkowce bei Załoźce. Ditkowce (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ditkowce)
> is a village 15 km SE of Załoźce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaliztsi).
>
> On July 4, 1894 Gedalje and his wife Jute-Rivka (nee Shapira, b. 1840)
> registered their marriage (
> http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/300/sygn.%202985/pages/1_300_0_0_2985_0015.htm).
> Since by that time they had several adult children, it is clear that the
> actual marriage happened a few decades earlier. It is possible that the
> registration was prompted by the impending marriage of their son Michael
> (b. 1867) to Ettel Ingwer-Leitner on March 11, 1896 (
> http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/300/sygn.%201784/pages/PL_1_300_1784_0026.htm).
> Two of Gedalje and Jute-Rivka's daughters, Freide and Salcia, married in
> 1905 and 1908 respectively. Freide was born in 1884 in Kozova (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozova) and her husband, Josef Auerhan, was
> from Kozova as well, which means that the Gedalje's family likely lived in
> Kozova at least in 1880s-1900s (
> http://agadd2.home.net.pl/metrykalia/300/sygn.%203166/pages/1_300_0_0_3166_0051.htm
> ).
>
> There are several hundred digitized Dubowy records from the Tarnopol
> region, so you can likely trace some other connections from them.
>
> best,
> Iosif
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 2:41 PM Daniel Dubowy <ddubowy_at_gmx.net<mailto:
> ddubowy_at_gmx.net>> wrote:
> Hi Czernowitzers, I trust you had a well-deserved holiday break and are
> all well.
>
> I am going through my father’s genealogical notes. He was born and raised
> in Czernowitz, but his grandfather was born, lived and died somewhere else
> in Galitia.
> My great grandfather, Gedalje Dubowy, was a land administrator of Kozowa
> estate, in Dilkowce near Zalowiec. None of these place names can be found
> nowadays just by google-ing them, but I don’t mind.
> He passed away in 1911 at Obszar Dworski Bugdanstowka on Jezerna. Obszar
> Dworski seems to simply be “township” in Polish, so as you may have
> guessed, I cannot find/identify Bugdanstowka either. This is something I’d
> like to find though.
>
> Can anyone help me with hints, advice?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel
>
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> From: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> To:
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 16:25:59 +0000
> Subject: Re: Edgar Hauster's film links
> Dear Ethel,
>
> Thank you very much for your so moving contribution. I uploaded the
> documentary to my Microsoft OneDrive and here is the link for you to view
> or download it:
>
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!Avyq9eDLfphogqhh7REoet-Gu4_reg?e=T154Kk
>
> I have already presented the film in 2009 in our Ehpes Blog and at that
> particular time I wrote: "This is the documentary, released in 2009 by JCC
> Bucuresti, TVR and the "Elie Wiesel" National Institute for the Study of
> Holocaust in Romania. The 140-min. movie, in Romanian/Russian language WITH
> ENGLISH SUBTITLES, covering the roots of the Romanian antisemitism, the
> death trains to Calarasi and Pudu Iloaiei, the Holocaust in Transnistria
> and the 1941 Iasi massacre, is impressive but harrowing at the same time.
>
> Warmest wishes to all of you!
>
> Edgar Hauster [MacBook]
>
> ________________________________________
> From: bounce-126181651-8322570_at_list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126181651-8322570_at_list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Ethel Tillinger <
> ethelt_at_iinet.net.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 12:21
> To: czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu
> Subject: [czernowitz-l] Edgar Hauster's film links
>
> Dear Edgar and Czernowitzers
>
> thanking you and expressing gratitude for the ongoing gems we share - warm
> treasures and tragic losses.
> My parents - like Cora Schwartz’s late husband - were survivors of
> Transnistria and the town of Mogilev (interesting web-links
> http://myshtetl.org/vinnitskaja/mogilev_en.html,
> https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/transnistria
> https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/romania
> https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/front-page/transnistria-the-forgotten-death-camp/2018/03/07/
> ) My parents Naftali and Paula Tillinger (nee Krumholtz) spoke very little
> about their experiences in Mogilev - my father said he wheeled his mother
> crippled with arthritis in a wheelbarrow towards the Dniester River. I
> remember him crying as he said she begged him to help her die so she would
> not be a burden to them. My mother described the house they were crammed
> into as having ice on the inside of the walls, they slept on the floor in a
> corridor and she was lucky enough to survive typhus.
> My father was a furrier and the family survival depended on his knowledge
> and skill - soldiers shot animals and my father knew 2 ways of “dressing
> and tanning” pelts - one way was with chemicals and the other with maize
> flour. He asked the soldiers for both to prepare and make fur collars so
> they could survive the cold. He used the chemicals for the furs and the
> maize flour for the family to eat.
>
> I would love the see the films Edgar Hauster has sent links to - I cannot
> find the email links and would be grateful if you could resend them.
>
> Warm wishes
> Ethel Tillinger
> Melbourne, Australia
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