thanks for your answers
my questionning was exactly the following: why bucovina to ukraina and
bessarabia to moldova ? is it the proximity ? are there historical reasons ?
about the soviets I think that the years after the war were also hard
for our families
yours
patrick
Le 01/03/2022 à 01:17, David Glynn a écrit :
> Patrick,
>
> You asked how (Northern) Bucovina was transferred from Romania to
> Ukraine. The answer is very simple - and very similar to what is
> going on today. In 1940 the USSR issued an ultimatum to Romania that
> they wanted Northen Bucovina and Bessarabia (the latter had been
> Russian from 1812 to 1918); they marched in; and that was that.
> Bessarabia became the Moldavian SSR (now Moldova), and Northern
> Bukovina was allocated to the Ukrainian SSR - the latter became
> Ukraine in 1991.
>
> So, Rony is not quite correct in saying that today’s aggressors (i.e
> Russia) were yesterday’s liberators. Prior to being yesterday's
> liberators, they were yesterday's aggressors. And today they are
> behaving true to form.
>
> The Soviet occupation of Czernowitz in 1940 was not pleasant. Many of
> the shops were owned by Jews - they were deemed "bourgeois" and
> deported to Siberia. My mother's uncle had an elegant shoe shop in
> the Hauptstrasse; a miracle saved him and his family from this fate.
> But that is another story.
>
> Best regards to all,
>
> David
>
>
> On 28/02/2022 06:54, patrick Teller wrote:
>>
>> Dear friends, as a son of czernovitzer, I would like to ask if anyone
>> can explain how the "modern" ukrainian territory was designed
>>
>> more precisely:
>>
>> what was the reason of the choice that took bucovina from rumania
>> ang gave it to ukraiana ?
>>
>> I understand that that the jews suffered a lot from the rumanian
>> antisemitism since the versailles treaty that took them from austria
>> and gave them to rumania but I don't think that this was the argument
>>
>> so what was the concept ?
>>
>> sorry for my poor english
>>
>> Patrick Teller
>>
>
>> Le 27/02/2022 à 20:57, Ildani-Global Inc. a écrit :
>>>
>>> HISTORICAL IRONY
>>>
>>> Personal Naïve Reflections of a son of a Holocaust Survivor from the
>>> safety of my home
>>>
>>> The present crisis prior to February 23 seemed so distant, indeed
>>> geographically and sentimentally as well. Ukraine simply represented
>>> a historical reference to my ancestral genealogy in southern
>>> Galitzia and Bucovina. Ukraine in my “book” was the former Soviet
>>> Republic that annexed the former Austro-Hungary (later Southern
>>> Poland and Romania) provinces of Southern Galitzia and Northern
>>> Bucovina.
>>>
>>> Thursday morning February 24 Breaking News: “Missile Strike to
>>> Ivano-Frankisk”. Unexpectedly, felt like a bucket of iced water over
>>> my face. The crisis was no longer distant, it played out in “my
>>> home”. Ivano Frankisk, has been the focus of my research as my GGG
>>> parents (Eisenthal) and their children studied in their highly
>>> regarded Yeshivot of Stanislawow and Kolomyya.
>>>
>>> There is no doubt in my mind that we are witnessing regrettably
>>> again a fight between good and evil. There are no grays here.
>>> Clearly black and white. The image of a powerful armored Russian
>>> tank intentionally and unprovoked crashing a defenseless unarmed
>>> civilian vehicle says it all. (https://youtu.be/cDnNsCKm5m4)
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, as the son of a Czernovitz deported Transnistria child
>>> survivor, I cannot escape reflecting on history’s irony. Today’s
>>> aggressors were yesterday’s liberators (albeit oppressors later) and
>>> today’s victims might have been descendants of the Ukrainian
>>> para-military fascists that welcomed my mother’s family with forced
>>> labor, typhus, starvation and murder. Ruth Gold’s journey so well
>>> described in her book, was also my mother’s. And those images are
>>> part of my memory. A memory of a “Vanished World”…
>>>
>>> However, and despite these reflections, the plight of our fellow 40
>>> million human beings and over 200 thousand jews is no longer a
>>> distant event. There is no justification for the loss of human lives
>>> at the whims of a tyrant. Both Ukrainian and Russian mothers deserve
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Rony Eisenthal
>>>
>>>
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