From romers@shaw.ca Mon Apr 17 15:40:23 2006 Return-path: Received: from pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.180]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXV00ABJYVBHB@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXV00BS1YVB7VD0@pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXV009SEYVA9XV0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:40:52 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: [Fwd: Archives To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1145310052.8894.10.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yONLrF3Fn4NSxrnxGF9XjQ)" Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca X-Evolution-Source: pop://romers@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net/ --Boundary_(ID_yONLrF3Fn4NSxrnxGF9XjQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --Boundary_(ID_yONLrF3Fn4NSxrnxGF9XjQ) Content-type: multipart/digest; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w)" Content-description: Forwarded messages --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - general Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:02 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145310062.8894.12.camel@linux.site> From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NP0DT53T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00E4UDSWEAG0@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GXODSYSTK0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:34:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:34:23 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: general To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144722863.17572.49.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: AJS1PRES@... Date: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:46 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Jewish records at the Chernivtsi archives borninbklyn44 Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Renee, thanks for this. I just noticed that there are no marriage records for 1901- 1903. When I asked for my grandparents marrige certificate, they couldn't find it. I'm pretty sure they were married in 1903. So it's not that it doesn't exist somewhere, they just no longer have it in Czernowitz. Anyone in the group know of Czernowitz marriage records available anywhere else but in Czernowitz? Bruce Wexler Jackson, NJ -----Original Message----- marriages 1841; 1860; 1865; 1872-1873; 1880-1881; 1883-1888; 1890-1891; 1894-1896; 1898-1900; 1904; 1909-1913; 1922-1923; 1927-1930 --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - general Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:02 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145310062.8894.13.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.215]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NMUDQL3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00198DQEFOA0@pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:32:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GU3DQHSTK0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:32:54 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: general To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144722774.17572.47.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Bruce Reisch Date: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:16 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Another lost mail - about archives bir1@... Send EmailSend Email At 9:39 +0200 3/14/06, lMiriam and Elan Lava wrote: > >A question: could it be that the most important documents are in Lvov? > >All the best - Miriam Lava > Dear Miriam and Friends: An important resource is the web site of the Routes to Roots Foundation: http://www.rtrfoundation.org/ After reading the FAQ and other information on the site, go to the search page: http://www.rtrfoundation.org/search.asp and enter Chernovtsy (exact match) to search for all Jewish archival records for the city of Chernovtsy. With the exception of a few 1850 records held in the Kamenetz Podolskiy archives, all the major record groups are found in the oblast archive in Czernowitz. Aside from birth, marriage and death records, there are also some Jewish Kahal (Community) records, voter lists, and census records. When you click on each record type, you will see more details on the years available and the location of the archive holding the record. The "Fond/Opis/Delo" given for each record will help the archivist to find the record you seek. For those of you in Israel, I believe that the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People has on microfilm the Kahal/Jewish Community records for Czernowitz. I don't believe there would be any vital records in these files, but it would be great if someone could track these down and find out what sort of information they contain. It's probably a record of the meetings and transactions of the Jewish community. The Mormon Family History Library has been microfilming records at the Czernowitz oblast Archives for several years. They have been filming vital records of all denominations. So far, the only Jewish records that have become available through these efforts are for the nearby village of Herta (now in Romania?). Information about archives in the Ukraine can be found here: http://www.archives.gov.ua/Eng/ Archive contact info for Chernivtsi is here: http://www.archives.gov.ua/Eng/Archives/index.php and here: http://www.huri.harvard.edu/abb_grimsted/O-5.html If you read Ukrainian, please report back whether there is anything useful to us here: http://www.archives.gov.ua/Archives/index.php?ra25 Good luck, Bruce --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - general Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:02 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145310062.8894.14.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr8so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.101]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ006NIF9NFU@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009POF9KZKF0@pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:05:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00G46F9MT1P0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:05:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:05:59 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: general To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144724759.17572.77.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Gabriele Weissmann Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 5:11 am Subject: Archives G.Weissmann@... Send EmailSend Email Have just tried to get Maria Nikirsa on the phone, a really nice person I agree. Was informed by Maria Nikolaewna (who speaks French and Romanian)from the Archives that Ms. Nikirsa has now retired. Every request must be made in writing, etc. to the Director. Have told her about the group, of course we cannot all come at the same time. Maybe a list of those who intend to visit the Archives can be made soon. Am travelling for a few days and on my return next week will get more information. Regards, Gabriele -- Gabriele Weissmann Kaiserdamm 18 D- 14057 Berlin Tel./Fax: +49.30.321 15 38 E-Mail: G.Weissmann@... --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - general Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:02 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145310062.8894.15.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.213]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ005RPF71FU@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00KMBF71F180@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009R6F70CY30@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:04:25 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: general To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144724665.17572.75.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Charles Rosner Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 2:31 am Subject: Archives and Surnames frenchczern Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Hi Bruce! Hi Mimi! Maria, the chief archivist in Cz, speaks perfectly German and Rumanian: I communicated with her in German and she was very helpful. She wrote two small books in Ukrainian about Cz’s history. She also has a deputy – I forgot the name – who speaks correctly French. But, as Bruce said, they have very small staff and no budget for our kind of investigation. The "overall manager” of the Central Archives was a woman in 2004, a former actrice I believe, who had been appointed there because of her connections. For very special projects, Maria must get her approval – and she knows how to do this. Another interesting information is that the “deputy manager” of the cemetery is a guy called Yuri P. who speaks French: I could look with him through their registers, which go back as far as 1906 (nothing beyond) for the Jewish cemetery. Hello Hardy! I also thought that the origin of my name is related to roses – thus giving a nice image! But, according to the “Kolomea research group – Surnames of Interest, Origins and/or meanings” (author Saul Zeichner) that I found on Internet, it has 3 possible origins: the one I mentioned, plus a reference to a place in Germany like Rosna, Rossen or Roessen, and finally a “cosy name” starting with Hrod- or Hros- (little Hros-). So, as the family dealt with horses, I tend to believe that the horse-version is correct. Regards, Charles --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - general Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:02 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145310062.8894.16.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.23]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00M1RDO5YQ@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ007E9DO56OA0@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009M9DO5D010@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:31:30 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: general To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144722690.17572.45.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Renee Steinig Date: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:18 am Subject: Jewish records at the Chernivtsi archives rssteinig Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º According to the database of Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Foundation www.rtrfoundation.org/srchresults.asp the following Jewish records are available at the "State Archive of Chernovtsy Oblast": births 1841; 1855-1860; 1860-1930; Sadgura births 1900; 1921-1922 marriages 1841; 1860; 1865; 1872-1873; 1880-1881; 1883-1888; 1890-1891; 1894-1896; 1898-1900; 1904; 1909-1913; 1922-1923; 1927-1930 deaths 1841; 1848-1871; 1856-1866; 1875-1914; 1916-1925; Sadgura deaths 1886-1904 divorces 1859; 1873; 1885; 1913 address books ("Adresa Wohnungsanzeiger") 1924-1925 censuses 1883; 1886; 1888; 1896; 1894-1896 Holocaust records 1941-1943 Jewish hospital records 1841-1944 Kahal (Jewish community) records 1780-1944; 1867-1929; Sadgura Kahal 1855-1890 passports 1867-1887 school records 1919-1923 voter lists 1901; 1907; 1908; Sadgura voter lists 1904 These records are at the "Chernovtsy ZAGS Archive" (local civil records office): Births, marriages 1926-1929 Sadgura births 1921-1922 I only searched for records for Chernovtsy and Sadgura and don't know if these records cover people from nearby towns. I suggest you search the database for towns of interest. Please note that information has changed since Miriam Weiner's book. Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova, was published in 1999. AT that time the bulk of the Cz. Jewish records were held by the ZAGS office. Renee Renee Stern Steinig RSteinig@... Rita Shilo grshilo@... asked... > i have a lot of things that interest me, i wonder what kind of > information is available at the archivs? --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - general Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:02 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145310062.8894.17.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr7so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.183]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ005QCF46FU@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HT7F46S3I0@pd5mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009LNF46CY30@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:02:43 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: general To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144724563.17572.73.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: AJS1PRES@... Date: Tue Mar 7, 2006 5:15 pm Subject: Fwd: [czernowitz2006] Archives, and requests borninbklyn44 Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Dear Travelers, The note that was sent today by Miriam Lava has prompted me to offer some advice. This concerns The Chernivtsi State Archives in Czernowitz. I had a wonderful experience there last May, which I would like to tell you about briefly, in the hope that your experience is likewise. The Archivist there is Maria D. Nykyrsa. She is truly a wonderful person, who not only wants to help, but gets joy from it. Our initial visit there on a Friday was not very fruitful, I think because the information we were seeking was not given to her beforehand. However, we returned the following day, and were rewarded with more than a dozen records of my ancestors, both birth and death. As I say, Maria is very eager to help, but my fear is, that should the whole group descend on her small offices, it would be overwhelming. There are many dozens of books to review, and the staff is small. Therefore, I suggest that to whatever extent possible, you advise her of your visit and give her names and dates in advance. She speaks Ukrainian and Russian I guess, and knows a little German. She wrote her address as follows: Ukraine 58032 Czernivstzi St. Pivdenno - Kilzewa 21/48 I want you to know that I am writing this on my own. No one has asked me to. I am just hoping that you all have as wonderful an experience as I did. Bruce Wexler Jackson, NJ --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - general Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:02 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145310062.8894.18.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr2so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.233]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0056FF2UFU@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HTUF2C2XG0@pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009H5F2DCY30@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:01:38 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: general To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144724498.17572.71.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Charles Rosner Date: Tue Mar 7, 2006 5:02 pm Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Archives, and requests frenchczern Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Dear Miriam, As you probably noticed from my personal introduction, my name is Rosner... But here are hundred thousands of Rosners all over the world. I guess the origin of the name has to do with someone who drives, rides or deals with horses. I don�t know where Putilla and Kisselitze are in Bukowina, but Kuty lies just opposite Wiznitz, across the river Cheremosh. And I was told there were plenty Rosner families living in Wiznitz and around. I have been to Wiznitz and tried the archives about my family: there are plenty separate registers concerning different nationalities: Germans, Austrians, Ukrainians, etc. I could even look at them and turn the pages. There is also a book listing all registers with their reference number � including those about Jews, meaning they existed before WWI � but it�s impossible to find them now. In fact they have disappeared long time ago: Josef Burg � who was also born in Wiznitz � told me that when he needed to have new ID documents back in the forties (his own had been stolen), he was answered the archives have disappeared. I even know that an elder brother of my father had to obtain a special permit to marry in Cz in 1924 in the absence of a birth certificate from Wiznitz (cf. the wedding register at Cz�s Archives). My guess is that those archives about Jews were taken - and used; possibly even destroyed? � by the Rumanians when they took over Bukowina in 1918-20. Unfortunately, this situation prevails all over Bukowina -- except Cz. Sorry, but you should know that there is little hope to find some clues for us Jews at the archives in small towns or villages over there. When I last was in Cz in 2004, the Director of the Central Archives was a woman. Here is what I know about "my old Rosners": My grandfather Ha�m Schmiele Rosner was born in Wiznitz in 1867. His father�s name was Arie Moshe Rosner, probably born around 1840. Ha�m Scmiele had (at least) 3 brothers: Meyer, Herzl and Eisig (Isaac?). Meyer had 4 children, but I know only the name of one, being a girl (Rosa); Herzl had 2 sons (one called Jacob) and 2 daughters; and Eisig had 2 sons (one called Hermann) and a daughter called Mina (Meite). My own father (Simon) was born in 1910. He had 2 brothers and 2 sisters, but none of them can be linked to your family. One last thing: I found my grandfather in the �Ippen�s Provinz-Adressbuch� about Wiznitz published in 1895, as a �Fiakerhaelter�. Other Rosners there are: Josef (Mehlhandel), Juda Leib (Hotelier), Schmiel (also Fiakerhaelter), Reisel (Eisenhandlung), David (Trafikant), Brenie (Greislerei) and Israel (Fischhandel). That�s it. Regards, Charles --Boundary_(ID_TRng85bwd2cQfKF9hjI41w)-- --Boundary_(ID_yONLrF3Fn4NSxrnxGF9XjQ)--