From romers@shaw.ca Sat Apr 15 16:01:53 2006 Return-path: Received: from pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr3so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.179]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXS00HD9AJ4VW@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXS00AQFAJ359I0@pd3mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXS003OBAJ1GL60@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:15 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: Re: PROUD UKRAINIAN] To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1145138535.7301.35.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ly9IGNntIOCqtM/R1f0azw)" Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca X-Evolution-Source: pop://romers@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net/ --Boundary_(ID_ly9IGNntIOCqtM/R1f0azw) Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --Boundary_(ID_ly9IGNntIOCqtM/R1f0azw) Content-type: multipart/digest; boundary="Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg)" Content-description: Forwarded messages --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - Fwd: Re: PROUD UKRAINIAN Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.37.camel@linux.site> From: Return-path: Received: from pd8mr3no.prod.shaw.ca (pd8mr3no-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.144.160]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXH0034GOPA91@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd7mi3no.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.149.116]) by pd8mr3no.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXH00DY4OP03K40@pd8mr3no.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from n15c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.206]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0IXH00MZ1OP8OF41@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n15.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:47:18 +0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:47:17 +0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:47:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:47:15 +0000 From: jerome Subject: Fwd: Re: PROUD UKRAINIAN Sender: notify@yahoogroups.com To: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.84.218.55 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- In czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com, "Dr.A.Raviv" wrote: Dear Mimi, I want to congratulate you for having reminded the Participants (myself included) that there were Ukrainians who helped Jews during the war, and that not all the Ukrainians are antisemites. Not only for the sake of truth, but if we remember this we shall feel much better during our stay in the Ukraine. You are right: adopting an attitude of superiority may arouse antisemitic feelings. Moadim le-Simkha, Alex N.B. As Alex's wife I am following with great interest what's going on on the web of the Reunion, although I will not (to my regret) participate at it. Now I have a question: Did you,Mimi, or anybody else who reads these lines go to Henka and Ety's Kindergarten (1942-44)? I myself was one of the little ones - my name was Renee Teiler and at the time we lived on Neuweltgasse corner of Josephsgasse. Best wishes and Pesakh Sameakh Regina --- In czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com, Miriam Taylor wrote: >> Miriam (Mimi) Taylor > > > I believe Mr Breier's poem summarizes quite nicely what Ukraine has given > > our world... > > Danny > > Dear Czernowitzers, > > The fate of Jews in the Ukraine has certainly not been a happy one. > Many of us carry bitter memories, but as we prepare to visit the city > of our birth and or the birth of our ancestors, let us not do so with an > attitude of contempt and or hatred. > > While I remember being called a "persheve jidd", I also remember Ukrainian > pheasant women who brought us food during the war and others who fought a > Russian "Natchalnik" so my mother would not have to work felling trees. > > During my two previous visits to Chernivtsi I encountered neither > Anti-Semitism nor meanness and I do not expect to encounter any, > this time either. > > Let's not cause it by behaving superior. > > Mimi > --- End forwarded message --- --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.38.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.177]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NGDDYC3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00E1VDYCE9G0@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GHMDYBT1M0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:37:36 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144723056.17572.53.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "HARDY BREIER" Date: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:34 pm Subject: SPORT TEACHER STANGER.doc HARDY3@... Send EmailSend Email SPORT TEACHER STANGER. IN SCHOOL #18 WE HAD A GYMNASTICS TEACHER BY THE NAME OF STANGER. HE WAS ALSO OUR MUSIC TEACHER AND HE HAD MUSICAL AMBITIONS. HE WANTED TO FORM AN ORCHESTRA AND ALL PUPILS WITH INSTRUMENTS WERE ASKED TO COME AND PLAY. WE ALL BROUGHT OUR FIDDLES AND MANDOLINS AND STANGER WAS THE CONDUCTOR AND THE SOUND WE PRODUCED IS HARD TO DESCRIBE : SUCH A SCRATCHING AND WHEEZING CAME OUT FROM THE REHEARSALS THAT MICE AND OTHER VERMIN FLED THE ROOM IN PANIC. OUR FAME WAS SOON CIRCULATED AND WE WERE APPROACHED WITH OFFERS TO PERFORM IN INFESTED HOUSES AS VERMIN BUSTERS. STANGER STOOD ON THE PODIUM GESTICULATING WITH HIS HANDS , LIKE A REAL TOSCANINI . STANGER ALSO TAUGHT US SINGING. HE REHEARSED WITH US ALL THE LATEST PATRIOTIC RUSSIAN WAR SONGS AND OUR SHOWPIECE WAS MARCHING THE STREETS AND SINGING THE LATEST HIT. WE DIDN'T SING WELL BUT WE SANG LOUD. WE SHOUTED LIKE MAD - WORDS WE HARDLY UNDERSTOOD.. I REMEMBER ONE DAY ON THE RUSSKAYA ULITZA WE MARCHED AND BLASTED AWAY , PEOPLE CAME OUT IN MASSES TO SEE IF THE RED ARMY CHOIR ARRIVED IN TOWN! STANGER ,WHO ALSO WAS A COMMIE , WAS ON THE CITY EDUCATION BOARD AND REPORTED EVERY EVENT WHEN WE WERE BEATEN UP BY PUPILS OF THE NEIGHBOURING RUSSIAN SCHOOL. I REMEMBER ONE DAY WHEN WE WERE AMBUSHED NEAR THE VOLKSGARTEN , STANGER LED A COUNTERATTACK AND VALIANTLY REPULSED THE HULIGANS. NEXT DAY HE REPORTED TO THE HIGHER RANKS OF THE CITY BOARD AND FOR SOME TIME WE HAD PIECE. AND THEN WE HAD METRE KAPELIUCH OUR PHYSICS TEACHER WHO GOT HIS NAME FROM HIS VERY HIGH HAT. HE WAS A PATHETIC SOMEWHAT QUIXOTIC FIGURE. HE WAS A BROTHER OF "TODER" (DUMBHEAD) SEGAL TEACHING MATH.. BUT ABOUT THIS I WILL TELL YOU SOME OTHER TIME . HARDY HARDY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - Fwd: Re: [czernowitz2006] PROUD UKRAINEAN Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.39.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr1so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.212]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXH00IR8SQ4BE@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mi1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.100]) by pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXH005JDSQ088L0@pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from n23b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.190]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0IXH006DOSQ2WB00@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n23.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:43:21 +0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:43:21 +0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:43:21 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:43:20 +0000 From: jerome Subject: Fwd: Re: [czernowitz2006] PROUD UKRAINEAN Sender: notify@yahoogroups.com To: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.84.218.55 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- In czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com, AJS1PRES@... wrote: I would like to add a little to what Mimi said. I am not a very religious Jew. I go to synagogue mostly on the holidays. However, twice in my life I wore a kippa continuously. First for three weeks when I visited Israel in 1987, and again last May when i visited Czernowitz. I did this as a tribute to my ancestors, and to show the population there that Jews have returned. Though I noticed some curious looks, not once was I approached nor did I feel threatened. It was one of the best parrts of my trip; that I could be a Jew here in Czernowitz, as easily as I could in Israel. While I am not promoting this type of activity for everyone, as a great man once said: "It couldn't hurt". The real point is that this wonderful journey you are embarking on is a wonderful opportunity to show the natives, that this city is so special, that decades and decades, possibly generations might separate us, nevertheless we return. We share the pride of the natives of today, as our ancestors once did. Your actions will have an effect on the future of the Jewish presence in Czernowitz as surely as our ancestors did. Bruce Wexler Jackson, NJ --- End forwarded message --- --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.40.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.107]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00DVWHFH59@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GD2HFHVY40@pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009L5HFHD080@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:52:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:52:42 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144727562.17572.101.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Charles Rosner Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 3:30 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] February 2006-February1944 frenchczern Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Dear Irene, I’m not good at expressing my feelings and emotions. Just know that reading your mail and the words of your father… made me cry. I even have tears in my eyes, right now, while I desperately try to find the correct words to thank you. So, thank you for copying us with your father's message, this message he meant for you and for future generations. May he rest in peace! Encore merci, Charles IRENE wrote: Dear friends, Last days of February 2006: I read your short biographies. Nights of February 1944: my father is writing at candle light, telling his life's story to his 3 and a half years old son. The place: a kolkhoz not far from Stalingrad. A sudden disruption appears in the calm flow of the story. Here I copy a few lines from my father's old notebook. I dedicate them to you, those children and youngsters who survived the darkest years of the last century. You are the winners. Irene "TRISTES INTERMEZZO Also, damals 1918, freuten wir uns auf die Heimkehr; wie selbstverstaendlich, wie natuerlich. Jetzt 1944, kann es diese Freude nicht geben.--- Die Nachrichten, die wir letzthin auf Umwegen aus unserer Heimat erhielten, zusammen mit den Mitteilungen aus den von der faschistischen Pest befreiten Gebieten, gaben ein ensetzliches Bild. Vor allem: die Juden sind ausgemordet. Hinter dieser schauerlichen Tatsache verbirgt sich eine ganze Veraenderung dessen, was uns Heimat war, verbirgt sich der schneidende Schmerz um den Verlust unserer naechsten Menschen, meiner Freunde, unseres Volkes... Erschuettert beugen wir unsere Haeupter - noch- uns Ueberlebenden! Und aus erstickten Kehlen dringt ein "Jisgadal wejiskadesch"... Mein Kind, Du bist ein Kind jenes Volkes, das so seltsamerweise beim Tode seiner Naechsten, das Kaddisch-Gebet sagt, das nichts anderes als eine Verherrlichung Gottes ist. Wie schwer der Schlag auch sein mag - Gott ist gross. Und weiter heisst es in den Psalmen "Nicht die Toten werden Gott verherrlichen..." Der ewige Ruf: weiterleben! Vor Dir die ewige, unveraenderliche Aufgabe: Dich erhalten, das Volk erhalten, dem Ewigen (in unserer Sprache- der Menschheit) dienen. Wie kann es anders sein? Was koennen wir tun, als jenem Ruf folgen? Wir muessen den Schmerz besiegen, wir muessen weiter bauen! Nur so koennen wir das unsagbar Entsetzliche raechen und ueberwinden. Februar 1944, Aleksikovo" Josef Ehrenkranz. --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - Fwd: Re: Proud Ukrainian Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.41.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd6mr2no.prod.shaw.ca (pd6mr2no-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.144.189]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXH00B3HKA04U@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd8mi4no.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.149.147]) by pd6mr2no.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXH00JSNK9YX400@pd6mr2no.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:58:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from n18c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.209]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0IXH00MHVK9RGO60@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:58:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n18.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:40:55 +0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:40:55 +0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:40:55 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:40:55 +0000 From: jerome Subject: Fwd: Re: Proud Ukrainian Sender: notify@yahoogroups.com To: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.84.218.55 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- In czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com, "Dr.Alexander Raviv" wrote: Rosnerch@... wrote: From: Rosnerch@... Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:23:53 EDT Subject: Re: Proud Ukrainian To: ravivhaifa@... Hi Alex! I don't know why, but I'm unable to compose or reply to messages on our Cz2006Yahoo site: I just get the "From" and "To" fields in the window, but it's impossible to write a message. Anyway, if you find this message interesting, please forward it to the group. So, further to your message about being a proud Ukrainian, here is some additional information: 1) When I first went to the civilian archives at the Cz-er townhall in September 2003, I had to show my French ID before I could ask for my and my mother’s birth certificates - I was born there August 1941. To my great surprise, I was issued an Ukrainian ID-card (I believe that’s what it is), but bearing no picture. I still have it and carry it with me whenever I’m in Ukraine 2) Your reference about Ukrainians who spoke Yiddish is interesting: my father’s youngest sister (my aunt) married a guy called Titus (we called him “Titsiu”) Worobciuk (approximate spelling) who spoke perfectly Yiddish! I don’t know if this is a frequent name over there, but it’s an interesting coincidence. I do not remember him (although I have some pictures where he appears); all I know is that he was a “very good guy” according to my parents. I believe my aunt divorced after the war, maybe early fifties, and immigrated to the US (where she married another guy called Blaiwais) and later to Israel where she died a few years ago. As for Titsiu, I understand he stayed in Bucarest after the divorce and is certainly dead by now. Regards, Charles --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message --- --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rem Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.42.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.107]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00690FJRFU@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GSWFJ4VO10@pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009PEFJFD040@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:11:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:11:52 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rem To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144725112.17572.83.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Abraham Kogan" Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 10:48 am Subject: Sad Czernowitzer Family Story abrahamkogan Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Dear Czernowitzers, I am told that in Czernowitz we might meet Dr. Iosif Bursuk, whose family managed to survive the 2nd WW and a small part of it still living in Cz . In an interview published in: http://www.centropa.org/archive.asp?DB=HIST&mode=bio&fn=Iosif&ln=Bursuk&country=\ Ukraine he is telling his family's story, a very sad one indeed, of a nice middle class Czernowitzer family, whom I knew quite well before WWII. They came to Cz. in the early 20s from Bessarabia (nowadays Moldova Republic). It is a rather long and very detailed story about a nice and warm Jewish family that, for various reasons, did not manage to get out of the Ukraine. For me it was quite heartbreaking; they were living in our neighbourhood, in a parallel street called at that time Schewcszenkogasse. I recommend reading it. Regards, AK --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - Fwd: Re: [czernowitz2006] I am a proud Ukrainian now ! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.43.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.213]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXH001VZAWO6F@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd5mi3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.87]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXH00ICQAWNPMB0@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.53]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0IXH00EZNAWN2ID0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:36:23 +0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:36:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:36:22 +0000 From: jerome Subject: Fwd: Re: [czernowitz2006] I am a proud Ukrainian now ! Sender: notify@yahoogroups.com To: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=ki4rM5ckCqNfz1nQpBChwOQXwvzeSkKMm9CHh38DR9NEtA855u/KJFa7rXpdwc/DbwwKC7aRmGM/dQAd+pgjvE8wa2u5/jhqnen+8z/l104Bj8R2w3QbqaDi+CzYExem; User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.84.218.55 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- In czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com, Miriam Taylor wrote: Miriam (Mimi) Taylor > I also feel gratified at the thought that these reminiscences might have > given, even if somewhat belatedly, a little more substance to my very succint > Personal Introduction, > (Message 293 on the list), for which I felt a little guilty. > And I also want to thank the readers for their attention. > > Regards, > > Alexander Raviv > Dear Alex, Thank you for your reminiscences, another piece of the puzzle, another piece of our childhood. We now know of three of us who after the war, went to the Yiddish school. Arthur and I were one month in first grade and one year in second. We too learned Ukrainian as a second language. For me too, it was the third alphabet. For those who do not know Czernowitz, the school is located on Strada Stefan Cel Mare - Siebenburgerstrasse just north of the Volksgarten, but on the east side of the street. On the 1941 map it is number 52. I would like to take this opportunity to ask all to send their, or their families' addresses in Czernowitz to Berti Glaubach Berti has offered to mark the addresses on a map and bring it to Czernowitz. A fost o data, c'a nici o data, si daca nu s'a fi fost nu s'a fi povesti. All the best, Mimi --- End forwarded message --- --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.44.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr3so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.144]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NQODWA3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00B1RDW9YCB0@pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:36:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009WZDW5D010@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:36:18 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144722978.17572.51.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Lucca Date: Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:18 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] My meeting with JoseF 2.doc lucca99@... Send EmailSend Email Was the military instructor's name "Stanger?" I also frequented first school No.3 and then later No. 18. We had one teacher whose name was Segal, and the teacher who taught us jiddish was named Ginninger. He was ugly like hell, but charming like an angel! Oh God, all those memories! Lucca ----- Original Message ----- From: "HARDY BREIER" Subject: [czernowitz2006] My meeting with JoseF 2.doc > Our military instructor( every school had one) helped > us out, he said:" Every and each of your families > keeps benzene at home , go and get it !" --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - Fwd: I am a proud Ukrainian now ! Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.45.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd8mr4no.prod.shaw.ca (pd8mr4no-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.144.161]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXH0015FARP6F@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd8mi2no.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.149.145]) by pd8mr4no.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXH00EBFARPBM00@pd8mr4no.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.54]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with SMTP id <0IXH003UUARP6WC0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:33:25 +0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:33:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:33:24 +0000 From: jerome Subject: Fwd: I am a proud Ukrainian now ! Sender: notify@yahoogroups.com To: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=cvf0G2RHkOEnobZRhjqq4ot1YcidX7CUMFuY9Z09Rg8ZZFeLl+7mb4IHZ73otM2y4WhR9l45CyFGnHs0XObSPrqs+d3AwLOjQSvxXVbv6K9AreHODm5CYwqJNsZ2Cu48; User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.84.218.55 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- In czernowitz2006@yahoogroups.com, "Dr.Alexander Raviv" wrote: Yesterday I got at the Consular Office in Haifa my Ukrainian visa at a reduced fee reserved for Ukrainians. Somebody had told me that if I showed them the copy of my Birth Certificate that I had taken out in 1946 before leaving Czernowitz (the language it is written in is of course Ukrainian) I shall be recognized by the Consular Office issuing visas here as Ukrainian. And it worked. But maybe they are not wrong, after all. It is true that I was born in Czernowitz under Rumanian rule. (It even happened in a maternity hospital called "Sanatoriul Mihai" named after Prince Mihai who later became Mihai the First, King of Rumania) as the offspring of a German-speaking Jewish family. But, as I was told later on, some Ukrainian -speaking nurses were also rushing about in the corridors the hospital. It is also true that my grandfather and my grandmother spoke Yiddish with each other, and sometimes with their sons and daughters (one of whom was my mother) German. And that their sons and daughters spoke mainly German among themselves. But the little house adjoining my grandfather's was inhabited by a Ukrainian whose name was Vorobczuk, so it is not unreasonable to speculate that Mr. Vorobczuk with his kins spoke Ukrainian. Though you can never know! Proof: Vitsia ! Vitsia was the name of my grandmother's young maid who was also Ukrainian and who was like a daughter in my grandparents' household. Vitsia spoke Yiddish fluently and after she got married to a Jewish boy, a hairdresser by profession, whose language was Yiddish, she went on speaking Yiddish in her newly-established home. So why not Mr. Vorobczuk ?! When I began to go to school - this happened in Bucharest, the capital of Rumania, where my parents settled when I was one and a half years old - the teaching language was of course Rumanian, and as this was a Jewish school we also began learning Hebrew as a "foreign language". But the straying away (or estrangement) from the Ukrainian language and culture didn't last long. When, following the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty, Northern Bukovina with its capital Czernowitz was annexed in the summer of 1940 to the Soviet Union and my parents decided to go back to their native country, I became a citizen, though very young (I was barely eight years old), but a proud citizen of the Soviet Socialist Ukrainian Republic. On their return to Czernowitz my parents sent me to a Ukrainian school where I had to re-do "Class Two" which I had already completed in Bucharest, but in Rumanian. For many years I wondered why my parents sent me to a Ukrainian school while there was a Jewish school in town with Yiddish as the teaching language, a school that counted among its pupils a good portion (both quantitatively and qualitatively) of the Jewish youth of the town. Till I found the answer when I visited Czernowitz six years ago: the Ukrainian school my parents sent me to was simply not far away from where we lived then, and so I could reach it without my parents having to accompany me. Ironically the impressive building (one of the highlights of the town's architecture and a recognized historical sight) houses now the Rumanian highschool of Czernowitz, destined for the Rumanian minority of the town and its surroundings and named after the Rumanian national poet Mihai Eminescu (another Mihai !) My studies at the Ukrainian school and my Ukrainian citizenship, however, weren't blessed with longevity; this doesn't mean that my agitated ties with the Ukraine came to a complete standstill. Far from it! But they continued not in a very happy vein, one must say. As all those who are reading this probably know, not many months after the beginning of Operation "Barbarossa" the Jewish population of Bukovina were deported to the Ukraine, more accurately to that part of the Ukraine between the rivers Dniester and Bug which just a few weeks after the attack on the Soviet Union was occupied by the Rumanians who annexed the territory to their kingdom and baptized it "Transnistria". The four war years I passed in the Ukraine, three (almost) in the Rumanian Ukraine, one year, after our liberation by the Red Army and our return to Czernowitz, in the Ukrainian Ukraine. Aye, Czernowitz and the Czernowitzers had again become Ukrainian, Norther Bukovina having again been integrated into the Soviet Union and its population having again become citizens of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Back in Czernowitz, however, unlike four years before, I didn't register in a Ukrainian school, but in a Jewish school with Yiddish as the teaching language (incidentally housed in the same historic building which had housed the Ukrainian elementary school to which my parents had decided to send me when we arrived from Bucharest). Now I had to study not less than three foreign languages, in fact four, as for many of the Jewish children of Czernowitz, myself included, Yiddish as a written language was also like a foreign language.The other three were: Ukrainian, Russian and English. But it is rather doubtful if in the curriculum the Ukrainian language figured as a "foreign language". Yet, this Ukrainian chapter also came to an end pretty soon. What I mean: it was not just the study of Ukrainian that came to an end, but something much bigger - my formal belonging to the Ukrainian people and to the Ukrainian civil community. And this is how things came to pass. About a year after the end of the Second World War Iosif Vissarionovitch Stalin decided to let the Jewish citizens of Bukovina go. To go where ? Well, to cross the border to Rumania and to become refugees. His purpose in so doing, according to some, was to increase the number of Jewish refugees who would press against the gates of Eretz Israel, with its Yishuv that was fighting Britain, which in those days was still great. And indeed, not long after the establishment of the State of Israel the writer of these lines became also one of those who pressed against the gates of Eretz Israel, now Medinat Israel. And on the last day of the year 1948 he made his aliah and became a citizen of the newborn State. Thus, thought I, the curtain fell for good on my tortuous ties with the Ukraine, with the Ukrainian Culture, with the Ukrainian Language.That's what I naively thought till yesterday, when the Ukrainian Consulate recognized me as Ukrainian and issued my Ukrainian visa at a reduced fee. If this is their verdict I accept it and I publicly announce, with my head high and my back erect: I am a proud Ukrainian ! Post Scriptum If no other profit will grow from these reminiscences of mine to their readers, they may at least draw the attention of some of the readers to the possibility of getting their Ukrainian visa at a reduced fee. I also feel gratified at the thought that these reminiscences might have given, even if somewhat belatedly, a little more substance to my very succint Personal Introduction, (Message 293 on the list), for which I felt a little guilty. And I also want to thank the readers for their attention. Regards, Alexander Raviv --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2/min or less. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message --- --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.46.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.69]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00N4QDI23T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ000VEDI03440@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0093IDHYCY10@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:27:47 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144722467.17572.43.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: VBDA Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Re: [Cz-L] Norman Manea vladix41 Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Being labeled a "Jewish writer" was one way to marginalize a writer in Romania. Norman was subjected to a great deal of pressure from the communist as well as post communist Romanian officials. From censorship to name calling, like "the dwarf of Jerusalem", "White House lackey", and of course the label "he is just a Jewish writer" he has seen it all. Only recently, fifteen years after the fall of communism, the Romanian public discovers in him the greatest contemporary writer of Romanian language. His latest book, " The Hooligan's return", is a must read for anybody who wants to understand the past and the present of Romania (Czernowtz was part of Romania till 1941) Vladimir Brunstein --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.47.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr5so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.8]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00N9UDG03T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:26:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00CFYDG0XDC0@pd2mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:26:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0091BDG0CY10@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:26:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:26:36 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144722396.17572.41.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Gabriele Weissmann Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Norman Manea G.Weissmann@... Send EmailSend Email Miriam Taylor schrieb: > Dear Czernowitzers, > > Yesterday I went to a lecture which was to be given by Norman Manea, a > Czernowitz author who writes in Romanian and currently lives in the US. > Norman Manea, did not give the lecture, he was absent because of ill health, > but his lecture was read, and I learned that he was born in either 1935 or > 1936, his first language was Romanian, he and his parents were in > Transnistria during the war and when they returned in 1944 he went to the > Russian school in Czernowitz. > > Can anyone explain, or does anyone know, why a Czernowitzer born at that > time would have spoken Romanian as his mother tongue? It was my impression > that we only spoke Romanian when we absolutely had to. > > I think that some in this group are the same age as Norman Manea and also > went to the Russian school, does anyone remember him? > > Another item in the lecture which drew my attention was Norman Manea's > assertion that he was annoyed when some of his writings in translation, > were included in a book published in Israel under the name "Jewish authors > in Romania", apparently he did not want to be considered a Jewish author. > Does anyone have more information or comments on this subject? > > All the best, > > Mimi > > > > Dear Mimi, Yes, I hope the comments are welcome. Just for correctness - we have acted in the film "Dieses Jahr in Czernowitz", in which Norman Manea also "starred". We have also read some of his books, one of his latest is named in English "His mother's ghost" and was published in recent years. Manea was _not_ born in Czernowitz, but in Falticeni, his mother was a Czernowitzer, but they lived in Suceava he likes to be associated with Czernowitz because of Celan, etc. He does not like to be called a "Jewish" author, yet, when asked what Jewishness remains in a Jew who is not religious, nor zionist, nor knows the language of the Talmud, he replied without hesitation "a lot" He lived a long time in ROMANIA (present spelling) and was not particularly "Jewish" - and yet, he always was, and is, in search of his Jewish roots, in need to feel his "roots". He was born in 1936, and went to a Russian school still in Transnistria. Manea speaks Romanian because he grew up later, after the war, in Romania, and lived there until he left in 1986, it is his literary language, but his German is also fairly good. -- Gabriele Weissmann Kaiserdamm 18 D- 14057 Berlin Tel./Fax: +49.30.321 15 38 E-Mail: G.Weissmann@... --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.48.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.23]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXS000HK4WY3W@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXS0083K4WY75A0@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXS003UI4WYML50@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:00:59 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1145131259.7301.19.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "HARDY BREIER" Date: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:30 am Subject: AM RINGPLATZ.doc HARDY3@... Send EmailSend Email AM RINGPLATZ . "Servus , Salo ." "Servus , Beno" " Wie gehts?" " So , so ". " Wohin gehst du ?" " Blumen kaufen". " Wus plitzem ?" "Es is a lange Majsse" " Was ist passiert ?" " Alles wegen die Wanzen". "Was haben Wanzen mit Blumen zu tun ? " " Hoer mich aus werd' ich dir erzahlen ." "Wie du weisst , haben wir Wanzen zu Hause". "A Neugkeit , we hat nicht ?". "Wir haben beschlossen auszuschwefeln . Ich ging zu Schmied und Fontyn und kaufte Schwefel. Ich legte den Schwefel in a Schissel im Mitten vom Zimmer und zundete ihm an. Der Schwefelgas kroch in alle Spariness in die Wander hinein und gaste alle Wanzen aus" "Ich kenne den Vorgang , wer hat keine Wanzen ?" " Warte , das ist nicht die ganze Maisse .Die Spariness in meine Wande sind mit die Spariness der unteren Wohnung verbunden und so drang der Schwefelgas in die untere Wohnung . Dort wohnt die Frau Brender die Witwe und astmaleidend ist". " Was du nicht sagst". " Sie bekam einen Stickanfall und musste ins Spital". "Oj wej !" "Ihr Sohn , welcher Advocat ist , will mir Prozess machen". " So eine Gemeinheit ". " Ich geh sie jetzt besuchen und bringe ihr Blumen . Sag mir Salo wo kauf ich Blumen? ". " Auf der Postgasse leben Podsudek". " Wohin gehst du?" " Am Zwinter , habe Juhrzeit " . " Pa Beno , Grusse mir die Gisella ." " Pa Salo , ebenfalls ...." Hardy --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.49.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.23]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00IGDCXF8M@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0073CCX36P60@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009C4CXFD000@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:15:27 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144721727.17572.31.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "IRENE" Date: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:20 am Subject: Reunion06 inTel-Aviv irenef1@... Send EmailSend Email Dear Czernowitzers, Since my recent conversion to Czernowitzerdom I went through many moments of joy and excitement, as I already told you. Last Thursday I was lucky to attend a peak event: the After-Purim Social Gathering organized by the Bukowiner Landsmannschaft in Tel-Aviv. I even met some familiar faces: Ilya, Mady1 and Mady2, Rony and Many and Irith, Lili and Heddy too. After a short and very funny introduction by Mr Yalon, here came the highlight: Prof.Zwi Yawetz's lecture on " Bukowiner Humor". Everybody agreed this is a very serious topic. As a consequence we all (an about 250 people audience) laughed at every second sentence. Brilliant. I received an additional bonus when, with a comic twist, Prof.Yawetz mentioned the famous Meisler Schule and the famous teacher Frau Singer - my beloved Tante Flora. At the finale con brio Mr. Yawetz gave a lengthy recitation, by heart, of a parody of Schiller's "Die Glocke": in Yiddish it sounds like "Die Lockschen" (Nu, Hardy?). Lachen ist gesund. Bleibt mir gesund. Be well and don't forget to laugh even if you feel like crying. (" mit einem Aug' lacht man, mit dem anderem weint man") Irene P.S. Please tell me, somebody; what's the source of "Rebbe Pomelech"? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.50.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.69]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXS00JR34OAT8@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXS005VE4OAON00@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXS00L9G4OAGAC0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:55:47 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1145130947.7301.17.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Berti Glaubach Date: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:48 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Wass Du nicht sagst.doc nuki1357 Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º The was "Du nicht sagst" survives with both exclamation and interrogatory marks and is a manifestation of the incredulous attitude most of that generation of Czernowitzers.had. Every Viennese would of course be at home with that idiom, be it because of the Yiddish that was absorbed into local German or because the expressiveness of the words makes the meaning of the phrase plain to most . The (in general) denying nicht, instead of just a straight affirmation or question, has here the function of stressing the meaning again, it re-doubles its semantic content. That sounds Jewish enough - the French have a somewhat similar use of the ne that together with pas, instead of canceling out make a strong denial. We shall ask our hosts - may be there exists something similar in Ukrainian or Russian? Berti --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rem Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.51.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.69]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HITCPVST@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ000Y4CPF3410@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GDYCPST1K0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:10:53 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rem To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144721453.17572.29.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "David Glynn" Date: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:01 pm Subject: Czernowitz movies glynn@... Send EmailSend Email My mother Erica was reminiscing about films she saw at the "Kapitol" in the Herrengasse. It was owned by an uncle of my mother's cousin Anny. Erica recalls that the cinema showed mainly German films, rather than Hollywood (this was in the 1930s) - one starred Franciska Gaal, who played the maid of a household, desperately in love with the chauffeur (who turned out to be the son of the household). At one stage in this film, the heroine was in tears, because she had received a note from the chauffeur, but couldn't read... Anny's maid was with my mother at this film, and at this point she too was in tears, because she couldn't read either, and so really felt the heroine's predicament... Another film that my mother saw there starred Joseph Schmidt, the famous tenor. Mimi once sent me a photo showing a set of billboards advertising what's on at the cinemas. "David Copperfield" appeared to be showing at the Scala! Erica says that the Scala was by far the smartest cinema in Czernowitz, fitted in handsome blue velvet. She thinks it was somewhere in the part of town near to the Temple. She saw several silent films there, including Chaplin's "City Lights". David --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - hardy Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.52.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr5so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.181]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXO00JLZA5DXC@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXO0022LA5DBY00@pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXO000KSA5DQRZ0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:03:34 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: hardy To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144951414.9958.3.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "HARDY BREIER" Date: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:24 pm Subject: Wass Du nicht sagst.doc HARDY3@... Send EmailSend Email Wass Du nicht sagst ? Understand ? No? I don't blame you . German ? The words are Deutsch but no German of Munchen or Berlin would get the meaning. Only a Czernowitzer of old vintage will know what I mean. Something like " what do you know " but not quite. Sometimes expressing wonder ,sometimes ironic , sometimes rethoric ,sometimes in astonishment , sometimes sarcastic , sometimes caustic: ... "Have you heard, the young Pomeranz of the second floor, has a new lover ." " No, not the "Stauber" , the young one, the " Krimme"! " Was du nicht sagst ?" ( astonishment). " So ,you think we insulted you and will not come again ?" " Was du nicht sagst " ( ironic) . " This war is going to last a long time". " Was du nicht sagst ?" ( sarcastic ) A groisser Chuhem . What will happen to Czernowitzerisch after we're gone ? " Es wird gehen floeten !" " Was du nicht sagst " HARDY --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.53.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr2so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.109]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HT1CO2ST@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00MBQCO2DLF0@pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GB3CO2T1K0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:09:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:09:50 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144721390.17572.27.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Gabriele Weissmann Date: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:47 pm Subject: Translation G.Weissmann@... Send EmailSend Email To all those who are not familiar with German : This article appeared in one of Berlin largest newspapers, "Berliner Morgenpost" * *"Swinging end of the 19th Jewish Culture Festival - December 2005 Today Czernowitz is a city in Ukraine. Before it belonged respectively to Austro-Hungaria, then to Romania, and later to the Soviet Union. However, the Jewish Czernowitz lives on in many places. In New York, in Tel Aviv, in Vienna and in Berlin. Two years ago,Volker Koepp has made a moving documentary about this phenomenon, "This year in Czernowitz". Now, at the end of the 19th Jewish Culture Festival, Czernowitz gathered together again, in the theatre tend behind the Centrum Judaicum (this is a Jewish centre in Berlin next to the Oranienburger Synagogue, once one of the biggest in Europe, destroyed in the Cristallnacht in 1938 and now a ruin but nicely restored). Shantel ,is a music producer from Frankfurt and a star disc-jokey since his success with the "Club Bukowina", got to see the home of his grand-parents only four years ago. On the musical side, he has been working on Czernowitz for a much longer time. For his youngest project, "Kosher Nostra", he assmelbed Jewish songs and klezmer sounds, a wild mix, suitable not only for the dance floor but also for listening to. Furthermore, Shantel brought live guests, first and foremost the Czernowitz orchestra Lev Feldman. 14 musicians in folklore costumes and respective music. One could hear wedding melodies, Moldawian dances, a jazzed-up version of the "Grine Kuzine" (Jiddisch for green cousin), Tango and Czardas. Feldman, conducting,shakes the rumba rattles,dances himself Kasatchok, to make the audience join him, and he succeeds". The rest of the article is more for Berlin audiences. The journalist, Uwe Sauerwein, is a German who fell in love with Jewish folklore and klezmer music, plays the guitar and accompanies himself, singing, in Jiddish, and has an enormous repertoire. Hope to have brought some new light on our favourite theme. Gabriele *-- * Gabriele Weissmann Kaiserdamm 18 D- 14057 Berlin Tel./Fax: +49.30.321 15 38 E-Mail: G.Weissmann@... --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - hardy Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.54.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr7so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.23]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXO00HL0979XH@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXO00LM6979BUF0@pd3mr7so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXO0010I978IUG0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:42:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:43:04 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: hardy To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144950184.9958.1.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "HARDY BREIER" Date: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:47 pm Subject: MARCH 1944.doc HARDY3@... Send EmailSend Email MARCH 1944. ( FROM A DIARY OF A 12 YEAR OLD BOY ) THE RETREAT OF THE GERMANS IS COMING TO AN END. FOR TWO MONTH THE RUSSISCHEGASSE , WHERE I LIVE , WAS THE MAIN RETREAT PASSAGE FOR THE RETREATING GERMAN ARMIES OF THE COLLAPSING UKRAINEAN FRONT. ENDLESS CONVOYS OF BROKEN-UP ARMY UNITS ,TANKS ,HALF TRACKS, CANONS, MOTORCYCLES , LORRIES , FOOT SOLDIERS , HORSE DRIVEN CARRIAGES CARRYING RUSSIAN FAMILIES WITH LITTLE CHILDREN , VLASOV TROUPS , TATARS, COLLABORATORS , ITALIANS, MAGYARS, A DISPLAY OF HUMANITY IN MISERY . THEY WERE CLAD IN RAGS , ALL WERE STINKING AND IN A BAD NEED OF A SHAVE. " WIR VERKAUFEN EUCH DEN HITLER " YOU COULD HEAR THEIR SHOUTS , THEY WERE HUNGRY AND HAVEN'T HAD A SHOWER FOR A LONG TIME AND WERE LOOKING FOR WOMEN. NO MORE VICTORIES AND GLORY , A COHORT OF PEOPLE IN DISTRESS, A BEATEN ARMY OF A PEOPLE WHO WERE OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD. AND THEN ONE MORNING IN MARCH , IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY WITH BLUE SKIES , WE WOKE UP AND -THERE WAS NO NOISE ! AFTER MONTHS OF ENDLESS RATTLE - THE STREET WAS SILENT. YOU COULD HEAR THE SINGING OF BIRDS AND THE HUMMING OF BUMBLE-BEES. SWEET SILENCE ! WE WENT OUT IN THE STREET AND THE CONVOY WAS STILL THERE BUT IT WAS DESERTED: A GHOST ARMY CONVOY . RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE STOOD A "TIGER" TANK ,ITS TURRET AS TALL AS THE SECOND STORY OF OUR HOUSE. A REMAINDER OF THE GLORIOUS GUDERIAN PANZER CORPS. OUT OF FUEL. WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION WERE EVERYWHERE. MY BROTHER CAME HOME WITH A M38 SPANDAU MACHINE GUN COMPLETE WITH 2000 ROUNDS. I FOLLOWED UP WITH 2 HAND GRENADES AND AN ARMY HELMET. " THE RUSSIANS WILL SHOOT US FOR THIS" FATHER SAID BUT THE REAL DANGER WAS IN PLAYING WITH THESE TOYS. AT TEN IN THE MORNING TWO RUSSIAN " YAK" PLANES APPEARED IN THE SKIES ,MADE A FEW TURNS AND FLEW OFF. AT NOON ,AT LAST- COMING UP THE STREET , THE GLORIOUS SOVIET ARMY MADE ITS ENTRY. WHAT IS THIS ? IS THIS THE RED ARMY ? WHAT WE SAW COMING UP THE STREET WAS A BUNCH OF BOYS, IN RAGS 4 FEET TALL , MONGOLIAN FACES ( KALMUKS OR KIRGHIZ) SPEAKING SOME ASIAN LINGO . THESE WERE THE LIBERATORS ? BIG DISAPPOINTMENT .. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE LAST. HARDY --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.55.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr3so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.214]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00I08CKO8M@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00AXACKH36E0@pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00G9RCKLSTJ0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:07:46 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144721266.17572.25.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Miriam Taylor Date: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:03 pm Subject: Czernowitz movies mirtcz Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º I think it is the "Capitol" on the Herrengasse which has the beautiful foyer in the 1930ies style which is still preserved now as it was. After " The Thief of Bagdad" with Cornell Wilde, the movies which made the greatest impression on me during my Czernowitz years are both Russian; "The stone flower" and "The Jaz party". The latter one was Russia's answer to Holywood musicals. There is a wonderful scene in it where the farm animals invade a fashionable party of the "burjui". The very popular song "Sertze" was written for this movie. I remembered the movie, but not it's name for all these years, every time I met older Russians, I asked about it, just to be answered by shrugging of the shoulders. Finally, a few years ago, I found a person who said: of course, the jaz party. It is every bit as good as I remembered it, or even better. There also was one war movie, I do not know whether Russian or American, in which they poured gasoline on a river and ignited it, does anyone remember which movie this was? If I remember correctly, they called Laurel and Hardy, Stan si Bran, for years I thought those were Romanian movies. Czernowitz,Czernowitz nur du allein solst stet die Stadt meiner Traume sein. --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.56.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr8so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.101]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00DDNHI959@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00E3UHI9OP60@pd4mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009IKHI9CY70@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:54:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:54:22 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144727662.17572.103.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "mrgltshl" Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 6:04 am Subject: februar 2006/ 1944 mrgltshl Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º dear irene, i read your father words and fell a thrill..... its so moveing, and so familiar... thank you for sharing those words with us. i feel sorry you won't join the runion this time. i'm still optimistic, we can meet and talk in our home country, even thougth you are in the haifa, and i'm in ramat hasharon. after i read your father's words, i know,we have a lot in common, rita margalit-shilo --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.57.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr8so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.11]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXI0016KUCSND@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXI00JJFUCR1VD0@pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXI00BAGUCRU6B0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:34:15 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144697655.17572.10.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Miriam Taylor Date: Sun Apr 9, 2006 8:28 am Subject: Czernowitz reminiscences mirtcz Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Miriam (Mimi) Taylor > > Dear Mimi, > > I want to congratulate you for having reminded the > Participants (myself included) that there were Ukrainians > who helped Jews during the war, and that not all the > Ukrainians are antisemites. Not only for the sake of truth, > but if we remember this we shall feel much better during > our stay in the Ukraine. > > You are right: adopting an attitude of superiority may > arouse antisemitic feelings. > > Moadim le-Simkha, > > Alex > > N.B. As Alex's wife I am following with great interest what's > going on on the web of the Reunion, although I will not > (to my regret) participate at it. > Now I have a question: Did you,Mimi, or anybody else who > reads these lines go to Henka and Ety's Kindergarten > (1942-44)? I myself was one of the little ones - my name > was Renee Teiler and at the time we lived on Neuweltgasse > corner of Josephsgasse. > Best wishes and Pesakh Sameakh > Regina > Dear Regina, I am very glad to meet another Czernowitzer. My Czernowitz name was Reifer and my Mother's maiden name was Steinmetz. It seems you and I are the same age, but as one of the less important consequences of the war, I did not go to Kindergarten. I lived very close to you on the Schmiedgasse (Strada Cronicarul Neculcea) and had there not been the war, the two of us would probably have gone to the same school. Did you too, go to the Yiddish school after the liberation? Do you, or anyone else remember the entrance of the Russian troops in March of 1944? It was a sunny day and not cold for that time of year. They came down the Siebenburgerstrasse in open trucks and when they saw children in the crowd, they yelled "malchik" or " dyevushka" and threw candy. How very happy we were to see them! And now it is 62 years later. That year there was "Shmira" - Matzah shmurah for Passover. Mimi --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - rems Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:02:22 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145138542.7301.58.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr1so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.212]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ005T3ES5FU@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0039YERXH2L0@pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:55:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00G8AERZT1O0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:55:24 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: rems To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144724124.17572.67.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: alon Date: Sat Mar 4, 2006 12:48 pm Subject: our flight tickets alonltd2@... Send EmailSend Email I have just returned from a visit at my grandfather's. He lives on his own in Bnei-Brak and has recently turned 92 years old. I showed him our flight tickets (Aerosvit have no electronic tickets, they produce those nostalgic ones with coupons) to Cz. He looked at them and said how unbelievable and moving it is for him, to see that a journey which took him almost 2 years, (including the stay in Cyprus) is going to take my father and I only several hours. Cannot help not being excited; wanted to share that with you. Danny --Boundary_(ID_zdO4EoWnhbZQHXkhvQiELg)-- --Boundary_(ID_ly9IGNntIOCqtM/R1f0azw)--