From romers@shaw.ca Sun Apr 16 16:43:20 2006 Return-path: Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.107]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXU00243748VK@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXU00JQB746QNA0@pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXU000ZV745E0S0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:45 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: [Fwd: trave;] To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1145227425.7310.90.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UXeaGlstqXn7yjfOMdm7rw)" Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca X-Evolution-Source: pop://romers@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net/ --Boundary_(ID_UXeaGlstqXn7yjfOMdm7rw) Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --Boundary_(ID_UXeaGlstqXn7yjfOMdm7rw) Content-type: multipart/digest; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA)" Content-description: Forwarded messages --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - trave; Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.92.camel@linux.site> From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr3so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.144]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00FPXI0E54@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HOSI08Z460@pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ000VUI08VZ20@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:05:09 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: trave; To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144728309.17572.111.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Date: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:54 pm Subject: RE: [czernowitz2006] FYI hsinnreich Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º This reminds me that last time I visited Czernowitz I was saved by One Dollar bills that are accepted anywhere. Take enough to last you for the trip. Don't count on credit cards or on banks in neighboring countries to change money. Larger bills ($10-$20 but not larger) can be used for donations to the Jewish Community office am Theaterplatz and for other donations. Thanks, Henry --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.93.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.9]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NF1E0J3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00144E0JOC70@pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GNIE0IT1M0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:38:55 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144723135.17572.55.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Charles Rosner Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:20 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Hotel Cheremosh frenchczern Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Yes, mobiles do work in Czernowitz: I used my french one over there, including for international calls both ways. Of course, the cost of calls was not negligeable, but in case of emergency... Regards, Charles alon wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know if there is a cellular network in the Cz are? Is it possible to use a mobile phone in Cz? Danny --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.94.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr3so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.214]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NLEEIC3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00A1YEI836L0@pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009RYEI9D020@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:49:34 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144723774.17572.65.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Mark Heckman Date: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:51 pm Subject: Re: AW: [czernowitz2006] Re: Cheremosh hotel doesn't reply mrheckman Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Dear Gerhard, Bruce Wexler was there last year and he said that he could find no place in Ukraine that accepted travelers' checks, plus he says this about credit cards and using an automatic teller machine (ATM): << No! Credit cards didn't work either. We had to go to a cash machine and use our ATM card. The machines ask you in english how many grivna you want. We paid everything that way. Needless to say get more than you need. Our bank, Bank of America charged us $5 for each withdrawal. Hopefully over the year, perhaps they have instituted credit cards, but not when we were there last May. >> Thank goodness for ATMs. --Mark --- "Dr. G. Waldhorn" wrote: > Hi Mark > > I have the booking, and neither I know, if they take travelers checks. > Please let me know, as soon as you have the information yes or not. May be, > they take Visa Card? (would be even better). > > Thanks, > > Gerhard --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.95.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr8so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.11]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ005YEEX7FU@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ006X7EX6F5J0@pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:58:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0096VEX4CY30@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:58:29 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144724309.17572.69.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Dr. G. Waldhorn" Date: Sun Mar 5, 2006 2:15 pm Subject: Travel to Transnistrien could be dangerous! gwaldhorn@... Send EmailSend Email Dear Czernowitzer friends I would like to inform every one who is interested to travel from Czernowitz to Transnistrien, that I got the information, that this trip is not at all out of danger. How and where I got this information: Jane (Ioana) is a teacher of German in the University of Suceava. Her husband is the dean of the University. I had this evening a phone call with him and he told me, that to travel to Czernowitz is not dangerous at all, but to travel from Czernowitz to Transnistrien is highly dangerous. I wanted very much a trip to the places where my parents and I as a baby was sent, but after this information, I will not join any such excursion! I want only to inform and to warn all of you about this fact. I think, it must not happen something, but why to take such a risk? If somebody in our group has more or better information, please let us know. Best regards, --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.96.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr5so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.181]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HA1I4MBN@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00IHYI4NHVK0@pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ000P5I4NVY20@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:07:48 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144728468.17572.113.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: alon Date: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:28 am Subject: Updates regarding arrival arrangements alonltd2@... Send EmailSend Email Hello Everybody, We have been to 2 professional travel agents, talked to Aerosvit on the phone and have managed to gather the following information we consider important: As for now, There isn't a TLV-Kiev flight of Aerosvit on May the 18th, and therefore those of us who wish to continue to Cz by plane from Kiev have to reach Kiev on the day before, the 17th, with an El-Al flight. The price of the El-Al flight including taxes is 528$. The Kiev-Cz flight if bought separately, is 307$ (both ways, of course). The plane used for the inland flight is Antonov4 which hosts 120 passengers. There is only one flight a day to Cz, and from Kiev only. However, in a month's time, Aerosvit are about to present their summer schedule. They plan to add many more flights from Tlv to Kiev - the flights will be available almost daily. Taking a flight from Tlv - Kiev - Cz with Aerosvit costs all together around 550$, which makes it much moew reasonable. My father and I have decided to book seats on the Kiev-Cz flights, and to wait till next month in order to see if there is an Aeroswit flight from Tlv to Kiev on that day. One must however remember, that the flight to Kiev ends at the Borispol airport, and the flight from Kiev to Cz takes off from the Zoulani airport. The flight back, from Cz to Kiev is better organised because it lands at the Borispol international airport directly (terminal A). The price of the Austrian flights TLV-VIE-Lvov costs 644$ including taxes. By the way, travel agenst sitting next to ours at the same agency immigrated to Israel a few years ago from Lvov. She claims that the condition of the roads is horrible, and she personally recommends flying to Kiev and taking a night's train to Cz from there. We believe all options are feasible; we prefer however not to order anything yet and to wait until Aeroswit publish their new summer schedule and prices. The option of taking a train from Kiev or Lvov to Cz is always there. Danny Alon --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.97.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr3so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.214]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00M68E3EYQ@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00ASNE3B35J0@pd4mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GCOE3ASTL0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:40:35 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144723235.17572.57.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: mirtaylo@... Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:36 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Hotel Cheremosh mirtcz Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º I had a similar experience, not with the phone, but in visiting the apartment in which my family and I lived during the war. A man seeing us standing in front of the house in which I had lived and looking at it, asked why we were interested in the house. When we told him, he said he lived in the same apartment and invited us in. It later turned out that one of his daughters had married a Jewish man and was living in Israel. Ukraine is a poor country and technologically underdeveloped, we are likely to experience assorted annoyances, but also many act of kindness, generosity and warm wellcome. All the best, Mimi Quoting AJS1PRES@...: > Danny et al, > During our stay I brought a "satellite phone" to Ukraine. I rented this phone > from a company here in the states and was able to call the states using this > phone. I was told by Verizon that my regular cell phone would not work in > Ukraine. Perhaps things have changed in the last ten months. I would advise > consulting your cell phone company. > Before I left I had gotten the birth record of one of my great aunts, and > thereby, the address of my great grandparents. We went to this house, > and were > welcomed in by total strangers, an incredible story in itself. At any > rate, with > the phone I had rented I was able to call my mother from her grandfather's > house on the occasion of her 97th birthday! > > Bruce Wexler > Jackson, NJ --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.98.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.180]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00DLQH6N59@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00E9BH6H4ZF0@pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0094KH6MCY70@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:47:22 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144727242.17572.95.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Renee Steinig Date: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:40 am Subject: visa requirements rssteinig Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º In case anyone is wondering, as I was earlier today, about Ukrainian visa requirements, see... www.ukraineinfo.us/consular/visas.html According to this page, visas are not required for citizens of the U.S., Canada, the European Union, Switzerland, and some other countries, for visits to Ukraine of 90 days or less. Information at this older website www.ukremb.com/consular/visas.html is out of date. Renee Renee Steinig Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA RSteinig@... --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.99.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.69]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NMAE6D3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ000ADE6D2X70@pd4mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GXIE6DT1M0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:42:25 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144723345.17572.59.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Charles Rosner Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Hotel Cheremosh frenchczern Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Hi everybody ! This is to answer Mimi�s request about my experience of "practical matters" on my visits to Chernivtsi. I was posted in Kiev from June 1996 to June 1999, but didn�t find the time till my last weeks there to pay a visit to the place I was born, and which I left in 1945 at the age of four. In 1999 there was no flight from Kiev to Chernivtsi, so I went by train when the opportunity finally arised. I was totally unpreprared: all I knew was the new name of the Morariugasse where my mother�s family lived at number 8b. But I didn�t know that the numbers had also changed, because that street has been coupled with another one� and I couldn�t find 8b. I went again to Czernowitz in September 2003 (after reading Flo Heymann's book) and in April/May 2004. Both times I took a local guide who was acquainted with the chief archivist Maria � pity that she retired: she was very helpful, both in 2003 and 2004, and spoke very well German; the other Maria (who replaced her) speaks French and can be of help� if she smells an interest at no risk. I found all possible information at the Central archives, but it should be clear to all of you that those archives are an exception in Bukowina: you will not find any interesting document in the smaller towns, probably because they have been taken and possibly destroyed by the Rumanians, either in 1918-20, after WWI, or during WWII � but I explained this already in one of my previous mails, if you read it. I found the correct house of my family on the second trip. By the way, I now have a list (almost complete) of street names, with their correspondance during the Rumanian period as well as the Soviet and Ukrainian times. But I presume that you already have it on the List-site. Anyway, I will bring it along when I come, so that the newcomers can photocopy it. At the cemetery I found that director, Yuri P. (I understand from Mimi�s mail, reacting to mine and Bruce's ones, that he has been fired since). He spoke French and was also acquainted with my guide, which made things easier for me. And, as I already mentioned in a previous mail, the registers available at the cemetery�s office go as far back as 1906. On my first trip I stayed at the Cheremosh � horrible at that time. Later, I stayed at a private place � an apartment owned by Knaus (a German from Khazakstan who established there shortly before Ukrainian independence and organized a transport and tourism company), and I could pay there in Hryvnia at an interesting rate� that is not the case at the hotel. What else? Yes, I could use my French mobile in 2003 and 2004. So, you see, there is no real additional practical matter in my experience of Chernivtsi that can be of help to the group � I mean additional to what I or another group member have already mentionned in previous mails. Starting from tomorrow, I will be away for a week or ten days. Upon my return, I should be able to definitively tell you that I will come in May� I sure hope so. One last word for Hardy: I like your memories and the way you tell them, and I like your (decent) humour! Many thanks for it. Regards to all, Charles ---------------------------------------------- mirtaylo@... wrote: Dear Charles, Thank you for the information. I did not remember that you had been to Chernivtsi. Would it be possible for you to write to the group and tell everyone when you were in Chernivtsi and what advice you have about any practical matters? It would be helpful to many people. All the best, Mimi --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.100.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.180]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NDLEAU3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00EXAEAU4J20@pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00G8TEATT1N0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:45:06 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144723506.17572.61.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "raananellran" Date: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:51 pm Subject: Transportation Leviv-Cz-Leviv raananellran Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º I made the bus reservations today. I paid 450$ for each way. I wil collect the money on the way to Cz. We are 20-30, so each way wil cost 15-23$ per person. I suggest the members flying in from Warsaw will wait 2 hours for those coming from Vienna. If they choose not to wait they will have to use a taxi for no less than 70$ per person. We shall all leave Cz to Lviv in time to make it for the flight to Warsaw, meaning that those flying to Vienna will get to the airport 1:35 hours earlier than they would like to. I will send you more details mid April. Yours Raanan Ellran Veronica & Raanan Ellran 9 Ranak St., Herzliya 46406 Israel Home phone: ++972 9954 0915 Home Fax: ++972 9954 5744 Veronica Mobil: ++972 52850 6090 Raanan Mobil: ++972 52830 2000 Veronica Email: verell@... Raanan Email: ellran@... --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.101.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.215]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00ND0D773T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ001DMD6QFJ90@pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00G6ND6QSTK0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:21:03 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144722063.17572.37.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Arthur von Czernowitz Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] reunion cz2006 artrindner Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Hi Moshe, This is the schedule of Aerosvit from Kiev to Cz. Tel Aviv-Kiev 17 May 18:55-22:10 Kiev - Chernowitz 18May 14:45-16:15 (This is the next day) This is a very cleaver schedule, tell me what are you going to do from the night of the 17 May till next day (18 May) at 14:45, are going to sleep on a bench at Kiev airport? Why do you let your travel agent talk you in to this? Do you really think this is a better way of getting to CZ? Yes Ophir Tours is wrong! Arthur --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.102.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.9]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00NAEEFH3T@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ001E7EFHOC80@pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GQVEFHSTL0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:47:54 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144723674.17572.63.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Renee Steinig Date: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Cheremosh Hotel doesn't reply rssteinig Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º In response to my message to the list (below), Gerhard from Switzerland wrote to say. No chance with E-Mails to Cheremosh!! After a lot of phones and faxes, I finaly am a "proud holder of the booking." The best way, is to phone and fax them. The phone and fax number is 00380 372 58 55 88. You should speak with Maria. She speaks good German but bad English. Her boss is Galina Chrivokovna. I advise you as follows: You write a letter and fax it on this number. If you hear a voice during faxing, you simply ignore it. Then you dial the same number, ask for Maria and ask if she got your fax. Then you need patience, may be to phone again and again, then you will be like me, a happy owner of a booking. Please let me know your experience. May be you copy this text for the whole list? (to avoid that others "suffer" like me.") Thank you, Gerald! Now all I have to do is decide how to communicate with Maria. Probably the only thing that's worse than her English is my German. Renee Renee Stern Steinig Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA rsteinig@... OR rs352@... -----Original Message------ I have emailed the Cheremosh twice in the past two weeks (27 Feb., 11 March), attempting to make a reservation. I have not received a reply to either message. I have already paid for my non-refundable airplane tickets; it would be nice to have a hotel room too! :-) Has anyone else had similar problems? I wrote to cherem@... . Is that the correct address? --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.103.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.180]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00IE9D2R8M@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00J99D2QZZN0@pd3mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00G1SD2QSTK0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:18:39 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144721919.17572.35.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Arthur von Czernowitz Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:40 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] reunion cz2006 artrindner Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Nitai, Raanan is arranging a bus from Lviv to Czernowitz on the 18th May. Most of the participants are going to arrive in Lviv with Austrian Airlines. I do not understand why your parents are traveling through Kiev and later on a long train journey. The train takes 19 hours and sometimes with 2 train changes from Kiev to Cz. I hope you have considered if your parents are up to this long train journey. Unfortunately when individuals go to Travel Agents, the agent usually tries to push them to go via Kiev or Odessa, on the web I have explained the best ways of getting to Cz and avoiding all these long train journeys. The best route is to travel, Tel Aviv-Vienna-Lviv with Austrian Airlines. Just something for you to think about. I am not a travel agent, just a guy who has worked for an airline for 43 years! Best wishes. Arthur Rindner --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.104.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.182]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00DX6H4059@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0049KH45STH0@pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0090JH45D080@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:45:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:45:54 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144727154.17572.93.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Bruce Reisch Date: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:54 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] traveling to tarnopol bir1@... Send EmailSend Email >dear cz., >since some of us mentioned tarnopol last week i wonder if there are >people interested to travel to tarnopol around the time of reunion. >i understood its quit a distance from cz. but...? >rita > In 1998, a driver from the Cheremosh hotel met my train from Budapest in Tarnopol and drove me to Czernowitz. With the poor condition of the roads, the drive took nearly 3 hours. Bruce --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.105.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr8so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.11]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00IIRCH58M@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ006VCCH5F660@pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GU2CH5T1J0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:05:42 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144721142.17572.23.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Simon Kreindler Date: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:38 pm Subject: Tours in Czernowitz and "suburbs" and Transnistria trip update simonkreindler@... Send EmailSend Email Dear Czernowitzers: This e mail is primarily addressed to members who have joined the Reunion recently who might want to take a tour of Czernowitz itself or the "suburbs." In the course of arranging shtetl tours (for members who subscribed months ago) I was given the names of three guides who lead tours of Cz (and/or what I refer to as "suburbs). I have very little information about any of them. All three were recommended by someone living in Cz who is supposedly knowledgeable. I did not use any of them for the tours I arranged primarily because they were not fluent in English or were not interested in leading trips much beyond the city. If any of you are interested and can work with the languages they speak, feel free to contact them and make your own private arrangements. You might want to tell them you got to them via the Cz Reunion as I have spoken to or e mailed all of them previously about our plans and they are interested in the work. 1. Ljudmila Mechtsherjakowa. She works at the National University of Czernowitz. Cell number 80506907050 She does tours in German, Russian and Ukrainian and charges 10 EU/ hour. 2. Slavik Teutuliak. His cell number (+ 380 509393938). This is the only means of reaching him. He speaks German, Romanian and claims to speak English although the one time we spoke, I was not impressed. 3. Oksana Nakonechna The best way to reach her is via her cell phone +380-50-1920848. She speaks German, Russian and broken English. She tells me she charges EU 100/day to take a group of 10 people for a day tour of Cz. I suspect this would be her charge regardless of the size of the group but don't know this for sure. Another person you might want to consider is Zoya Danilovitch. She works for the Chernomosh Hotel, is fluent in English, is very experienced and is well known to Mimi and others in the group. In fact, she will be the guide for the overall Reunion group when we tour Cz on Friday morning, May 19th and will also go with us to the cemetery on Sunday May 21st. If any of you would like to make private arrangements with her for tours at other times, e mail her at VERY IMPORTANT - the subject line of your e mail should read "For Zoya Danilovitch" Finally, if there are any of you who are interested in going with the group of 18 members to Transnistria (on May 23rd and staying overnight, probably in Mogilev), we have room on the bus for about 10 additional people. If you are interested in this option, please let me know very soon because the guide leading this trip will have to find hotel space for you and arrangements like this take much longer in Ukraine than most of us are accustomed to. Just in case some of you might be wondering, I have arranged for a bus with toilet! With best regards, Simon --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.106.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.9]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HHQIG2BN@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00ESCIG9X910@pd2mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ009WPIG8CY80@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:14:45 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144728885.17572.120.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Arthur von Czernowitz Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:55 pm Subject: Travel to Czernowitz artrindner Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Dear All, I have requested from Mr. Kusdat if he knows a better way to Czernowitz other then AUA from Vienna to Lvov. He is a frequent traveler to the city. Below is his response. Shabat Shalom Arthur Rindner -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: CZ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:33:23 -0500 From: Helmut Kusdat To: vonczernowitz@... Dear Mr Rindner, there are flights to Lviv also from Warsaw (daily) and from, Frankfurt (2 times a week). Apart from that you can fly into Suczawa via Bucharest daily and hire a car from there to Czernowitz. There is also a day train from Bucharest to Czernowitz. There are also daily flights from Kiev to Czernowitz with Antonov-planes. However, those flights are not very relyable, if there is bad weather they can be delayed. So if you are opting for this possibility, make sure to spend a night an Kiew on your way home. All in all I recommend the route via Lemberg. Kind regards, Helmut Kusdat --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.107.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr8so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.11]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00IZ4CDB8M@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0063DCDBF560@pd2mr8so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00GYECDBSTI0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:03:24 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144721004.17572.20.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: AJS1PRES@... Date: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:37 am Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] SIRET BORDER CROSSING borninbklyn44 Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º Hardy, When I was planning my trip a year and a half ago, I spoke to some people who had real horror stories about border crossings from Hungry and Poland. That is why I decided to go in a way that my guide could accompany me over the border. I was met in eastern Hungry by my driver, and we had no trouble crossing. In the time since those stories were told to me, i believe things have changed. When I return, I will not be concerned. The only question is, for those who cross by train, is whether they still have to change the train because of the tracks. I was told this took some time. Bruce Wexler Jackson, NJ --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.108.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.215]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00HRJILUBN@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ001E6ILUFLJ0@pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ000Y5ILTVZ30@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:18:06 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144729086.17572.122.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "cornel fleming" Date: Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] FYI cornelfleming Offline Offline Send EmailSend Email Invite to Yahoo! 360ºInvite to Yahoo! 360º hi, but do not forget to bring your credit cards, the big hotels have machines in the lobby which dispense hryvna. very useful!! cornel --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.109.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr5so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.181]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXI00313UN9KA@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXI00E6VUN28VH0@pd5mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXI00B77UN6UQB0@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:40:30 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144698030.17572.12.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Simon Kreindler Date: Sat Apr 1, 2006 9:51 am Subject: Cz Reunion shtetl and Transnistria trip update (April 1/06) simonkreindler@... Send EmailSend Email Dear Czernowitzers: I have been waiting for information from the guides in Cz in order to update you about the planned shtetl trips but it has been slow coming and unfortunately, I still don’t have it all. I wanted to give you a firm price for each trip and arrange for payment in advance, but this is not going to be possible. The reason is the guides cannot get the drivers to quote them a firm price due to the fluctuating cost of gasoline. In fact, they will only know this very close to the time of our arrival. I have arranged for a bus with toilet for the Transnistria trip but am still waiting for hotel information for the overnight stay In the meantime, I have made firm commitments to each guide and asked for a large enough vehicle for the number of members who subscribed to each trip. I am therefore expecting each of you to honor the reservation you made and pay the cost of any trip(s) you confirmed even if you change your mind between now and when they take place. When we get to Cz, I will ask each of you for payment in US dollars - which is how I have to pay the guides/drivers. Since I will still have many last minute details to look after, I would appreciate it if you would find me rather than make me have to search for you. Below is a list of trips, each with it’s own identifying code. This is how we will identify the vehicles at the hotel in Cz so you will know which is the right one for your trip. The itinerary follows (although not necessarily in order) and names of those holding reservations. TRIP AAA Monday morning, May 22nd Vaslovitsy / Zastavna / Zaleshchiki / Gorodenka / Tovtse Mark Heckman & Kathy Loretz Renee & Steve Steinig Alex Raviv Total of 5 members _______________________________________ TRIP BBB Monday morning May 22nd Sadagora / Zastavna / Czezina Florence and Jacky Heymann David Glynn Abraham Kogan and son Cora Schwartz Yehudit Yerushalmi and Alfred Terris Total of 8 members ________________________________________ THERE IS NO TRIP CCC ________________________________________ Trip DDD Tuesday morning May 23rd Hotin / Kamenets Podolsky Raanan & Veronica Ellran and Veronica's brother Bernardo Sharon Fitch Renee & Steve Steinig Total of 6 members _________________________________________ Trip EEE Monday morning May 22nd Kamennya / Davidivka / Banila Moldova / Wisnitz Miriam Taylor Peter Medilanski Rita & Gidi Shilo and Rita’s sister Simon & Lisa Kreindler Total of 7 members _____________________________________________ Trip FFF Tuesday (all day) May 23rd Ilintse / Zablotiv // Kolomea / Nadvorna / Solotvina Simon and Lisa Kreindler _________________________________________________________ Trip GGG Wednesday morning May 24th Sadagora, / Ocna / Oleyevo Korolevka/ Pogorelovka Simon and Lisa Kreindler Mimi Taylor Total of 3 members ______________________________________________________ Transnistria Trip Leaving Tuesday morning May 22nd and returning Wednesday May 23rd Mogilev / Shargarod / Bershad / Budi Marianne Hirsch & Leo Spitzer Danny and David Alon Yehudit Yerushalmi & Alfred Terris Arthur and Greta Rindner Rita and Gidi Shilo Peter Medilanski Florence & Jacky Heymann Wolf Schaechter and wife Gerhard Waldhorn Asher Turtel and wife Cora Schwartz Total of 19 members I hope these arrangements accurately reflect your wishes but if there are errors, please let me know as soon as possible. Please note, I am not asking for changes you may have decided you would like to make at this time, I'm sorry, it's too late for that. Best regards, Simon --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA) Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-description: Forwarded message - travel Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:43:56 -0700 Subject: No Subject Message-Id: <1145227436.7310.110.camel@linux.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Return-path: Received: from pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr6so-qfe2.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.162.182]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ00JHIIR6K5@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0056RIR6VO10@pd5mr6so.prod.shaw.ca> for romers@shaw.ca (ORCPT romers@shaw.ca); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([24.84.218.55]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IXJ0007IIR0VZ40@l-daemon> for romers@shaw.ca; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:21:12 -0700 From: jerome schatten Subject: travel To: jerome schatten Reply-to: romers@shaw.ca Message-id: <1144729272.17572.124.camel@linux.site> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-type: text/plain Original-recipient: rfc822;romers@shaw.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MyRetreat2@... Date: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:47 pm Subject: Hi from Cora MyRetreat2@... Send EmailSend Email I was able to use credit cards at better restaurants in Czernowitz; one time even American Express!!! As far as ATM machines go, as I said earlier it is good to know they are there regardless of the price but for emergencies only. It's the good ole' money belt for me!!! Cora Cora T. Schwartz --Boundary_(ID_3bWYDNjhJdnOhLy9HhgMSA)-- --Boundary_(ID_UXeaGlstqXn7yjfOMdm7rw)--