Re: [Cz-L] A Question!

Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 07:59:33 +0300
To: iosif vaisman <>, cornel fleming <>

We as Jews wanted to be equals, look equal, behave equal ,
  What place is better than the army for this !
  You fight , get wounded ,, and if fortunate you die a heroe's death.
   The Kapelle plays :"Gott erhalte". You get a medal - the family a
     The family is proud , everybody envies them.
      The boy wears a black band and is eager to explain.
      The Ruthenian neighbor says : You heard Katya , Moshe Melamed
       got a bullet in his Isonzo .
         "Isonzo is not what you mean but a place in Italy."
          For the Kaiser and for Ferdinand.
           " Gott erhalte "


----- Original Message -----
From: "iosif vaisman" <>
To: "cornel fleming" <>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] A Question!

> Cornell,
> I don't think it is possible to describe issues of antisemitism in the
> Austro-Hungarian army in simplistic black and white colors. There were
> several major dichotomies, including experiences of assimilated vs.
> more traditional Jews, geography and ethnic composition of specific
> units, time period, etc. It is true that many Jewish soldiers and
> officers did not experience much or any antisemitism, particularly in
> the late years of the Empire, but many others did. Even during WWI,
> when there was no overt antisemitism in the Austrian army, there were
> cases of institutionalized discrimination and distrust against Jewish
> soldiers, e.g., they were not allowed to serve as guards in the POW
> camps. It is also important that despite the fact that a lot of Jews
> fought on the frontlines and were overrepresented in the officer corps
> (4% in the population, 8% of all officers), the antisemitism in the
> Austrian society at large during the WWI hugely increased, including
> antisemitism towards Jewish soldiers, who were accused of cowardice,
> profiteering, etc. It is true that antisemitism was supressed in the
> k.u.k. army, but antisemites remained. Among more than 10,000 Nazi
> demonstrators in Vienna's Ringstrasse on August 13 and 17, 1925, who
> shouted "Kill the Jews" and physically attacked Jews on the streets
> and in the coffeehouses, many or even most were army veterans. Clearly
> they did not become antisemites only after being discharged.
> There is also ample anecdotal and literary evidence of antisemitism in
> the army. An example which immediately comes to mind is Dr Max Demant
> from Joseph Roth's "Radetzky March", who is killed in a duel after a
> fellow officer screams at him "Yid". Feldkurat Otto Katz from "The
> good soldier Schweik" is another, although more subtle example.
> Iosif
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