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From: Charles Rosner
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2006  5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006]
Archives, and requests

Dear Miriam,
   As you probably noticed from my personal introduction, my name is Rosner...
But here are hundred thousands of Rosners all over the world. I guess the origin
of the name has to do with someone who drives, rides or deals with horses.
   I don�t know where Putilla and Kisselitze are in Bukowina, but Kuty lies
just opposite Wiznitz, across the river Cheremosh. And I was told there were
plenty Rosner families living in Wiznitz and around.
   I have been to Wiznitz and tried the archives about my family: there are
plenty separate registers concerning different nationalities: Germans,
Austrians, Ukrainians, etc. I could even look at them and turn the pages. There
is also a book listing all registers with their reference number � including
those about Jews, meaning they existed before WWI � but it�s impossible to
find them now. In fact they have disappeared long time ago: Josef Burg � who
was also born in Wiznitz � told me that when he needed to have new ID
documents back in the forties (his own had been stolen), he was answered the
archives have disappeared. I even know that an elder brother of my father had to
obtain a special permit to marry in Cz in 1924 in the absence of a birth
certificate from Wiznitz (cf. the wedding register at Cz�s Archives).
My guessis that those archives about Jews were taken  - and used; possibly even
destroyed? � by the Rumanians when they took over Bukowina in 1918-20.

Unfortunately, this situation prevails all over Bukowina -- except Cz.
Sorry, but you should know that there is little hope to find some clues for us
Jews at the archives in small towns or villages over there.
When I last was in Cz in 2004, the Director of the Central Archives was a
woman. Here is what I know about "my old Rosners":
My grandfather Ha�m Schmiele Rosner was born in Wiznitz in 1867. His
father�s name was Arie Moshe Rosner, probably born around 1840. Ha�m Scmiele
had (at least) 3 brothers: Meyer, Herzl and Eisig (Isaac?). Meyer had 4
children, but I know only the name of one, being a girl (Rosa); Herzl had 2 sons
(one called Jacob) and 2 daughters; and Eisig had 2 sons (one called Hermann)
and a daughter called Mina (Meite).
My own father (Simon) was born in 1910. He had 2 brothers and 2 sisters, but
none of them can be linked to your family.
One last thing: I found my grandfather in the �Ippen�s
Provinz-Adressbuch� about Wiznitz published in 1895, as a �Fiakerhaelter�.
Other Rosners there are: Josef (Mehlhandel), Juda Leib (Hotelier), Schmiel
(alsoFiakerhaelter), Reisel (Eisenhandlung), David (Trafikant), Brenie (Greislerei)
and Israel (Fischhandel).
That�s it.
From: AJS1PRES@...
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2006  5:15 pm
Subject: Fwd: [czernowitz2006]
Archives, and requests

Dear Travelers,
The note that was sent today by Miriam Lava has prompted me to offer some
advice. This concerns The Chernivtsi State Archives in Czernowitz. I had a
wonderful experience there last May, which I would like to tell you about
in the hope that your experience is likewise.
The  Archivist there is Maria D. Nykyrsa. She is truly a wonderful person,
who not only wants to help, but gets joy from it. Our initial visit there on a
Friday was not very fruitful, I think because the information we were seeking
was not given to her beforehand. However, we returned the following day, and
were rewarded with more than  a dozen records of my ancestors, both birth and
As I say, Maria is very eager to help, but my fear is, that should the whole
group descend on her small offices, it would be overwhelming. There are many
dozens of books to review, and the staff is small. Therefore, I suggest that to
whatever extent possible, you advise her of your visit and give her names and
dates in advance. She speaks Ukrainian and Russian I guess, and knows a
little German.
She wrote her address as follows:
58032 Czernivstzi
St. Pivdenno - Kilzewa

I want you to know that I am writing this on my own. No one has asked me to.
I am just hoping that you all have as wonderful an experience as I did.

Bruce Wexler
From: Charles Rosner
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006  2:31 am
Subject: Archives and Surnames

Hi Bruce! Hi Mimi!
   Maria, the chief archivist in Cz, speaks perfectly German and Rumanian: I
communicated with her in German and she was very helpful. She wrote two small
books in Ukrainian about Cz’s history. She also has a deputy – I forgot the name–
who speaks correctly French. But, as Bruce said, they have very small staff
and no budget for our kind of investigation. The "overall manager” of the
Central Archives was a woman in 2004, a former actrice I believe, who had been
appointed there because of her connections. For very special projects, Maria
must get her approval – and she knows how to do this.
Another interesting information is that the “deputy manager” of the cemetery
is a guy called Yuri P. who speaks French: I could look with him through their
registers, which go back as far as 1906 (nothing beyond) for the Jewish

Hello Hardy!
I also thought that the origin of my name is related to roses – thus giving anice image!
But, according to the “Kolomea research group – Surnames of Interest, Origins
and/or meanings” (author Saul Zeichner) that I found on Internet, it has 3
possible origins: the one I mentioned, plus a reference to a place in Germany
like Rosna, Rossen or Roessen, and finally a “cosy name” starting with Hrod- or
Hros- (little Hros-). So, as the family dealt with horses, I tend to believe
that the horse-version is correct.
From: Gabriele Weissmann
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006  5:11 am
Subject: Archives

Have just tried to get Maria Nikirsa on the phone, a really nice person
I agree. Was informed by Maria Nikolaewna (who speaks French and
Romanian)from the Archives that Ms. Nikirsa has now retired. Every
request must be made in writing, etc. to the Director. Have told her
about the group, of course we cannot all come at the same time. Maybe a
list of those who intend to visit the Archives can be made soon.
Am travelling for a few days and on my return next week will get more
From: Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
Date: Tue Mar 14, 2006  10:18 am
Subject: Jewish records at the
Chernivtsi archives

According to the database of Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Foundation

the following Jewish records are available at the "State Archive of
Chernovtsy Oblast":

births 1841; 1855-1860; 1860-1930; Sadgura births 1900; 1921-1922

marriages 1841; 1860; 1865; 1872-1873; 1880-1881; 1883-1888; 1890-1891;
    1894-1896; 1898-1900; 1904; 1909-1913; 1922-1923; 1927-1930

deaths 1841; 1848-1871; 1856-1866; 1875-1914; 1916-1925;
    Sadgura deaths 1886-1904

divorces 1859; 1873; 1885; 1913

address books ("Adresa Wohnungsanzeiger") 1924-1925

censuses 1883; 1886; 1888; 1896; 1894-1896

Holocaust records 1941-1943

Jewish hospital records 1841-1944

Kahal (Jewish community) records 1780-1944; 1867-1929;
    Sadgura Kahal 1855-1890

passports 1867-1887

school records 1919-1923

voter lists 1901; 1907; 1908; Sadgura voter lists 1904

These records are at the "Chernovtsy ZAGS Archive" (local civil records

Births, marriages 1926-1929
Sadgura births 1921-1922

I only searched for records for Chernovtsy and Sadgura and don't know if
these records cover people from nearby towns. I suggest you search the
database for towns of interest.

Please note that information has changed since Miriam Weiner's book.
Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova, was published in 1999. AT that time the
bulk of the Cz. Jewish records were held by the ZAGS office.


Renee Stern Steinig
From: AJS1PRES@...
Date: Tue Mar 14, 2006  10:46 am
Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006] Jewish
records at the Chernivtsi archives


thanks for this. I just noticed that there are no marriage records for
1901- 1903. When I asked for my grandparents marrige certificate, they
couldn't find it. I'm pretty sure they were married in 1903. So it's
not that it doesn't exist somewhere, they just no longer have it in
Anyone in the group know of Czernowitz marriage records available
anywhere else but in Czernowitz?

                   Bruce Wexler
                  Jackson, NJ

-----Original Message-----

marriages 1841; 1860; 1865; 1872-1873; 1880-1881; 1883-1888; 1890-1891;
    1894-1896; 1898-1900; 1904; 1909-1913; 1922-1923; 1927-1930
From: Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
Date: Tue Mar 14, 2006  6:16 am
Subject: Re: [czernowitz2006]
Another lost mail - about archives

At 9:39 +0200 3/14/06, lMiriam and Elan Lava wrote:
>A question: could it be that the most important documents are in Lvov?
>All the best - Miriam Lava

Dear Miriam and Friends:

An important resource is the web site of the Routes to Roots Foundation:

After reading the FAQ and other information on the site, go to the search page:

and enter Chernovtsy (exact match) to search for all Jewish archival
records for the city of Chernovtsy.  With the exception of a few 1850
records held in the Kamenetz Podolskiy archives, all the major record
groups are found in the oblast archive in Czernowitz.  Aside from
birth, marriage and death records, there are also some Jewish Kahal
(Community) records, voter lists, and census records.  When you click
on each record type, you will see more details on the years available
and the location of the archive holding the record.  The
"Fond/Opis/Delo" given for each record will help the archivist to
find the record you seek.

For those of you in Israel, I believe that the Central Archives for
the History of the Jewish People has on microfilm the Kahal/Jewish
Community records for Czernowitz.  I don't believe there would be any
vital records in these files, but it would be great if someone could
track these down and find out what sort of information they contain.
It's probably a record of the meetings and transactions of the Jewish

The Mormon Family History Library has been microfilming records at
the Czernowitz oblast Archives for several years.  They have been
filming vital records of all denominations.  So far, the only Jewish
records that have become available through these efforts are for the
nearby village of Herta (now in Romania?).

Information about archives in the Ukraine can be found here:

Archive contact info for Chernivtsi is here:

and here:

If you read Ukrainian, please report back whether there is anything
useful to us here:

Good luck,