AW: [Cz-L] Jewish roots in Czernowitz

From: alexander rosner <alexanderrosner_at_yahoo.de>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:05:04 +0000 (GMT)
To: "W.A. Terner" <w.a.t-r_at_athenaeum.se>, Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
Reply-to: alexander rosner <alexanderrosner_at_yahoo.de>

Dear Wolf,

I can conform the existence of Sephardic Jews in the Bukowina,
however as a tiny minority. This I learned from my Father.
On the other side some Ashkenazi Jews have also Sephardic ancestors.
I know a family which was living in Russia and Kazakhstan a few decades, before
it in the Ukraine.

They told be that they can trace back their ancestors trough Poland to a certain
town

in Germany and that one of their ancestors came to this town from Spain.

As for the Chazars: there are records of Jewish families in Eastern Europe which

were speaking a Turkish language.I read once the history of Jews in the
Lithuanian village of Eyshishok, which is well documented.
They believe that the first Jewish settlers in the village came from Babylonia
through Crimea

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
> Von: W.A. Terner <w.a.t-r_at_athenaeum.se>
> An: Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
> Gesendet: Montag, den 13. September 2010, 20:18:45 Uhr
> Betreff: [Cz-L] Jewish roots in Czernowitz
>
> Dear Czernowitzers,
> The different discussions, comments and the presented facts give us all a
> better understanding of our past. Lately there was a discussion related to
> the Yiddish language and its social status as well as to the humble origin
> of most of our ancestors.
> It was not a second to early to point out how the realities looked like. The
> fact that later generation tried to forget and distance themselves socially
> from the still Yiddish speaking was something to be seen in many places.
> The list supplied to all of us, with the names of the different publications
> in Yiddish which appeared in Czernowitz made me very happy, perhaps
> more than the list supplied some time ago with Jewish publications in
> German. It gave a depth to the Jewish identity of Czernowitz.
> The Jews in Germany like those in Sweden and elsewhere had big difficulties
> to accept "newcomers", whom they considered inferior when they immigrated
> around 1905 or 1920 from Poland, Russia or other places. Similar situations
> occurred both earlier and later in time.
> The lists discussions supplies many details about the Ashkenazi Jews. From
> the moment Bukowina became apart of the Austrian Empire the movement of people
>and
> their development increased dramatically in both directions.
> One old postcard, on the website, depicts Jewish travellers in oriental
> dress, probably Sephardic Jews from the Ottoman Empire. The region had even
an
> influx of other groups.
> It is difficult to know if Jews came to this area in Roman times. In
> Budapest there is a head stone of a Jewish burial from Roman times, but this
> although in Eastern Europe, is fare away from Bukowina.
> Somewhat nearer in time and space was the Kingdom of the Chazars, stretching
> from Kiev to the Aral Sea. Around 700-900 it was 1.5 mil.sq.km. large.
> For a few hundred years it was a Jewish Kingdom since first its aristocracy
> and then the people converted to Judaism as early as 750. Around 800 the
> king was of Jewish faith. Latest archaeological research in Kiev have
> revealed many artefacts with Jewish connections from the period 750-850.
> 2002 a treasure of coins from the period 850 from the Kingdom of the Chazar
> was found in Sweden, they had the inscription "Moses is the messenger of
> God". Hebrew letters on coins from that time where not uncommon in the
> Chazar Kingdom.
> The destruction and partition of the Kingdom of the Chazars around year
> 1000 has dispersed its people to different parts of Europe. Some of the
> elite found refuge in Moorish Spain and help from the Sephardic communities,
> a part of the Chazars moved to the kingdom of Hungary ruled by brethren
> Turkmen tribes and again others remained on their territories or adjacent
> places now under other rulers, like the case was with the Jews in Kiev. It
> would not be difficult to imagine that the regions around Galizia and
> Bukowina became one of the places for their refuge. Some of the family names
> in these parts are of Chazar origin.
> The history of the Chazars and their descendants of today is a very complex
> and fascinating story still open for research.
> Even nearer in time is the emigration and expulsion of the Sephardic Jews
> from Spain and Portugal. Some of them reached Galizia through Polish
> territory and some reached Bukowina through the Ottoman Empire. There are
> family stories related to the period 1500-1600. Some kept their Spanish
> names (a mixture of Spanish, Hebrew and Arabic), some changed them to other
> names and some adapted their names to their new surroundings. I was told
> that there was a Sephardic community in Czernowitz. Some years ago I
> received photos of Jewish grave stones from the Sephardic Cemetery in
> Bucharest, of two individuals from Bukovina buried, in the 1970-ties, in
> at that time already closed Sephardic cemetery. I know of a grandmother
> born not far from Czernowitz, a Jewish peasant, married to a Wiznitzer
> Chassid of Sephardic origin, which brings me back to the beginning of this
> letter. This grandmother came from a family who fled the persecutions in
> Russia at the beginning of 1800 to Galizia and afterwards moved to Bukowina.
> Interestingly I found some descendents of those from Galizia, here in
> Sweden. They came around 1860 via Poland/Russia.
> It would be interesting to read comments and additions to the above text.
> GMAR TOV , CHATIMA TOVA.
> Thankfully,
> Wolf.
>
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