Re: [Cz-L] Jewish roots in Czernowitz

Dear Miriam,
Thank you for your comments. I think that Abraham Kogan has contributed with
a very interesting answer to the question of influx of ( Sephardic) Jews in
the area before 1778.
His wife is not completely alone with a sephardic ancestry. There are many
more. In my own case a part of my family, according to family history, came
to the area through the Ottoman Empire long before 1778. Both Galizia ,
Bukowina and the adjacent Poland/Russia territories had Jews very long
before 1778, they did
not wait for the Austrian rule. It is the Austrian rule who gave them the
possibility to move somewhat more freely to other areas.
 As with regard to Chazar ancestry and names related , it is a more
sensitive subject . There exists literature on this subject, in different
languages. Many with Chazar ancestry are probably still unaware primarily
because of intermarriage with the Ashkenazi majority.
The Jewish Chazars from Kiev are a very good example . Some had adopted
biblical names ,some kept their previous names and some intermarried, later,
with Ashkenazi families(traveller-merchants to the area). Even this is well
documented as far back as the years 900-1000. By the way, even Sephardic
travellers from Cordoba visited this area around 1100, this to is well
documented.
I am very thankful to all for all contributions to these somewhat, until
now, neglected subjects . It is after all a part of our common history.
GMAR TOV , CHATIMA TOVA.
Wolf . ( W.A.Terner, Stockholm, Sweden.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Taylor" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
To: "W.A. Terner" <w.a.t-r_at_athenaeum.se>; <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Jewish roots in Czernowitz

> Dear Wolf,
>
> I very much agree with you about the attitude veteran Czernowitzers had to
> new comers. We called them "Ost-Juden" and did not approve of them.
> Yet I very much doubt that there were any Jews living in Czernowitz before
> WW2, who's ancestors had lived there before 1778. Had there been any
> Czernowitzers with this much "Yiches", in typical Czernowitz fashion, they
> would have let everyone know about it.
>
> You write that some of the family names in Galizia and Bukovina are of
> Chazar origin. Would you please quote some of them, so we could check
> whether in the 1998 address book, there are any people with such names.
> My father as a joke always claimed that he was a descendant of the
> Chazars.
> He based this claim on his high cheekbones and great liking for horses,
> not
> on any known ancestors. To me he always looked perfectly Jewish.
>
> Gmar Chatimah Tova,
>
> Mimi
>

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