Re: [Cz-L] Oberjudengasse

Generally, in every city, the higher elevation districts are considered more
desirable and therefore also where the wealthier, or higher status people
live. In Czernowitz, as in many other cities, living near the river, meant
being closer to the commercial and industrial districts and the noise and
dirt associated with them. The lower part of the city was also likely to get
flooded and being the older part did not attract many new buildings.

Mimi

On 1/6/11 12:40 AM, "HARDY BREIER" <HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET> wrote:

> Berti,
> Your explanation on the interpretation of the term reaches
> the limits of my untrained mind.
> That the social status differentiation is related to the Ehpes group
> is very flattering.
> A little speculation : If you look at the map you see that the Judengasse
> is a straight line continuation of the Hauptstrasse.
> The later untere Hauptstrasse is a detour to the west ,avoiding the
> Judegasse as a main thoroughfare. There the St.Paraskiva lies.
> Old city maps show the center of town as the Ham , from here
> the main roads are NW - the Lembergerstrasse and East the Russischegasse .
> There was no main throughfare going south.
> No Ringplatz, no Austriaplatz , no Volksgarten , no Herrengasse.
> All this before the Habsburgs.
> The have just climbed the first hill , but were on their way up.
> About social status vs elevation:
> The Prut bed is 160 m. the Austriaplatz 260 m.
> If you draw a line at 220 m through Cz., cutting the Judengasse in
> half ,
> all the low income strata lived north and the rich in the south.
> Not only jewish.
> And you didnt need much research for coming to this conclusion .
> Hardy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dov Glaubach" <berti_at_netvision.net.il>
> To: "Lucca" <lucca99_at_netvision.net.il>
> Cc: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>; "'Abraham Kogan'"
> <akogan_at_netvision.net.il>; "'yosi-jerry'" <eshet1_at_netvision.net.il>;
> "'czernowitz-L'" <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Oberjudengasse
>
>
>> A good example for differentiating between Frege's sense and reference
>> or if you wish connotation and denotation.We all used the denotation/
>> reference topographic kind (only grammatically correct in German for obere
>> and untere Judengasse). The connotation/sense social status interpretation
>> of these words is of later times and (mostly Ehpes) , and is only
>> marginally relevant
>> for the population on the Judengasse.
>>
>> But... my grandparents sometimes lived at corner untere
>> Judengasse/Springbrunnengasse and my mother
>> overcompensated her low geographical status up to the end of her life.
>>
>> And... the first girl I really admired at age 13 (she was 11) lived on
>> Uhrmachergasse.
>> No names or addresses added.
>>
>> Berti.
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