Re: [Cz-L] The Fate of Edi Wagner.

In the peaceful town of Czernowitz that stood for bla-bla-bla....
Hardy
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From: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
To: "'HARDY BREIER'" <HARDY3_at_bezeqint.net>; "'Miriam Taylor'"
<mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
Cc: "'Gary Rogovin'" <grcpa_at_att.net>; "'Czernowitz Genealogy and Hmistory'"
<czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest
Jewish pilgrimage

> Hardy...he was murdered by the Romanian siguranca,not by Czernowitzers.
> C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HARDY BREIER [mailto:HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET]
> Sent: 07 October 2011 18:04
> To: Miriam Taylor
> Cc: Gary Rogovin; cornel fleming; Czernowitz Genealogy and History
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest
> Jewish pilgrimage
>
> What was the fate of Edi Wagner in the town of peaceful coexistence
> education and culture?
> Hardy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miriam Taylor" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> To: "HARDY BREIER" <HARDY3_at_bezeqint.net>
> Cc: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa_at_att.net>; "cornel fleming"
> <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>; "Czernowitz Genealogy and History"
> <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest
> Jewish pilgrimage
>
>
>> Czernowitz stood for decent behavior, peaceful coexistence
>> of the various ethnic and religious minorities, love of education
>> and culture. Prior to WW2, the dislikes or prejudices which
>> some people felt, were generally kept in check.
>> No pogroms or blood libels in Czernowitz.
>>
>> Chief Rabbi Igel and Metropolit Hackman were friends.
>> So was chief Rabbi Mark and Metropolit Vladimir de Repta
>> When there was a plebiscite in 1918 or 1919 to decide whether
>> Bukovina should be annexed by Romania, the Jewish population
>> voted against it with the Ukrainian population.
>> The head of the Ruthenian party, Dr. Zaloziecki was highly regarded
>> by the Jewish community.
>> According to Charles Rosner:
>>> The Edi Wagner ensemble consisted of 100 young people
>>> from all nationalities (Jews, Germans, Ukrainians, Romanians, etc)
>>
>>
>> Mimi
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 8:05 PM, HARDY BREIER wrote:
>>
>>> What exactly did Czernowitz stand for ?
>>>
>>> Hardy
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miriam Taylor"
>>> <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
>>> To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa_at_att.net>
>>> Cc: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>; "Czernowitz Genealogy
>>> and History" <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists
>>> protest Jewish pilgrimage
>>>
>>>
>>>> Would it be possible to restrict our correspondence to matters
>>>> concerning our old ties and new hopes for Czernowitz/Chernivtsi
>>>> and vicinity?
>>>>
>>>> Gary writes that Sadagora Gentiles, not inviting a group of Chasidim
>>>> to use their private bathrooms, is worse than a rabbi, telling his
>>>> disciples
>>>> that it is OK to murder babies, when they pose a threat to Jews.
>>>>
>>>> This opinion, not only has nothing to do with Czernowitz,
>>>> but is against all that Czernowitz stood for.
>>>>
>>>> Mimi
>>>>
>>>> [Moderators agree to end this thread now, and ask that you continue
>>>> this thread on the off-topic blog, if you wish. All posts concerning
>>>> the history and/or genealogy of the Jews of Sadagora and Czernowitz
>>>> will continue to be accepted on this list.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Gary Rogovin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Cornel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate your comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you that "it is wrong to judge a whole community by the
>>>>> unacceptable and disgusting behaviour of the lunatic fringe" and
>>>>> that
>
>>>>> was
>>>>> inclusive in my statement i.e. "... with the possible exception of
>>>>> some
>>>>> extremists living in Israeli settlements on former Arab land", which
>>>>> intuitively includes such extremists anywhere within Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, to compare the inhospitability of Ukranians in the town of
>>>>> Uman to
>>>>> the extremist Jewish Rabbi and his group, is like trying to compare
>>>>> apples
>>>>> and oranges.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Rabbi you refer to, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, wrote in his book
>>>>> "The
>
>>>>> King's
>>>>> Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a
>>>>> threat to
>>>>> the nation. He bases the majority of his teachings on passages quoted
>>>>> from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs. He stated
>>>>> that
>>>>> "It is permissible to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they
>>>>> are not
>>>>> responsible for the threatening situation," adding that "If we kill
>>>>> a
>>>>> Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven
>>>>> commandments -
>>>>> because we
>>>>> care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the
>>>>> murder".
>>>>
>>>> -snip-
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