Re: [Cz-L] A Romanian investigation

Dear Wanda, Dear Ruth,

I'm very sorry, but I suppose, that your recent mails are based on a huge misunderstanding! I suppose you don't read Romanian and/or you didn't read the original text of the investigation, as the investigation, we are talking about,

"CONCLUSIONS OF THE INQUIRY COMMISSION WITH RESPECT TO THE IRREGULARITIES DURING THE EVACUATION OF THE JEWS FROM CZERNOWITZ" (1941)

has not been effected nowadays, BUT in 1942 by the Antonescu regime (!!!) and thanks to Liviu Carare, PhD candidate in contemporary history at the Romanian Academy “George Baritiu” Institute of History in Cluj-Napoca, we all now are aware of this exciting and thrilling document. Liviu Carare received a master’s degree in Jewish History and Hebrew studies from the Alexandru Ioan Cuza University. Actually he is completing his researches for his dissertation on the subject “Jews from Czernowitz. 1941-1944″ on a scholarship of the USHMM in Washington:

http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/fellowship/fellows/fellow.php?year=2011&content=carare

So please notice, that we are miles and miles away from "the current trend in Romania" or "now they are trying to find irregularities", quite the contrary is the case. Please check our Ehpes.com Blog at

http://ehpes.com/blog1/2012/03/21/the-traian-popovici-discussion/

and scroll down to Liviu Carare's statement, dated 21.03.2012, where you'll get - Ruth - the requested explanation for the investigation:

"The Romanian head of state, Ioan Antonescu, ordered investigations in both Kishinev and Czernowitz ghettos, trying to find if the state was defrauded in the process of deportation. So, the Romanian authorities didn’t try to see if abuses or crimes were comitted against the Jews, but to identify the corrupt officials. They failed doing so and corruption was probably the most important factor which kept Jews alive, or in our case in Czernowitz. Regarding the actions and activity of mayor Popovici you are not correct. If you read the conclusions of the inquiry commission, you’ll see that it cannot establish if Popovici or general Ionescu were corrupt, but nontheless they were responsible for all the ‘irregularities’ – which means here execeding the number of Jews allowed in the city. The easiest way of getting rid of members of Romanian administration was to label them as ‘corrupt’. The Romanian Special Services were watching very close all of the mayor’s actions. They even investigated if his wife was Jewish or not. Efforts to maintain in Czernowitz a large number of jews have generated numerous accusations of corruption, especially against mayor and the commission members. There is no doubt that in return for writing down one’s name on the authorisation some members of the commission took money, but I don’t think this is the case of Traian Popovici or general Vasile Ionescu, as I don’t have any evidence of this. [...]"

Wanda, I'm sorry to contradict you, but "Romanian style" is not always according to our prejudices. As a matter of fact, there is a trend in Romania to minimize the Romanian Holocaust, but researchers like Liviu Carare, Mariana Hausleitner and others, as well as our group, are doing their very best to uncover the truth!

Edgar Hauster
Lent/The Netherlands

Am 23.03.2012 um 03:48 schrieb <wandabob_at_ca.rr.com>:

> This is typical Romanian style "investigation". The current trend in Romania is to minimize or completely negate the fact that Antonescu regime had anything to do with deportation of Romanian Jews to Transnistria. To make this even more painful for those who suffered, a Jew living in Israel wrote a biography of Antonescu and portrayed this criminal as the "savior " of Romanian Jews.
>
> [Wanda Orenstein]
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> ---- RUTH GOLD <glasgold_at_bellsouth.net> wrot
>> Hardy,
>>
>> A Romanian investigation?
>>
>> "CONCLUSIONS OF THE INQUIRY COMMISSION WITH RESPECT TO THE
>> IRREGULARITIES DURING THE EVACUATION OF THE JEWS FROM CZERNOWITZ"
>> (1941)]"
>>
>> This is laughable. There were not even written orders.The deportations were carried out based on verbal instructions, so as to leave no evidence, and now they are trying to find "IRREGULARITIES?????????"
>>
>>
>> Do they want to find out that more Jews were supposed to be deported to Transnistria?
>>
>> Please, somebody explain to me the purpose of said investigation.
>>
>> Hardy, you say that we are just bystanders? Perhaps, as a group of Czernowitzians, we should let our voices be heard in defense of the humanitarian Traian Popovici.
>>
>> Ruth
>>
>> Ruth Glasberg Gold20191 E Country Club Dr, #1802Aventura, FL 33180 USA T 305.936.9494F 305.936.9992email: glasgold_at_bellsouth.net
>>
>
>
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