RE: [Cz-L] How many Jews died in Bukowina during the war?

From: Mordecai Lapidot <lapidotm_at_zahav.net.il>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:42:55 +0300
To: 'Miha Ahronovitz' <mij123_at_sbcglobal.net>, czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu
Reply-to: Mordecai Lapidot <lapidotm_at_zahav.net.il>

Just a brief note re the number of those who perished in Transnistria - the
large number mentioned includes of course a huge portion of the Jews from
Bessarabia who, I believe, were deported almost in their entirety to
Transnistria. Regrettably there was no Trajan Popovici there.

Shavua Tov

Mordecai

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[Please post in Plain Text next time Mhia --thanks ]

As a non Czernovitzer, (I am born in Galati) I am amazed the resources
you collected. I explored the interactive map of Bukowina
http://muzejew.org.ua/Karta-En.html, congratulation to whoever placed on
Internet.

I got involved in a discussion on Tablet Magazine Q&A: Norman
Finkelstein
<http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/102054/qa-norman-fin
kelstein>
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/102054/qa-norman-fink
elstein

I quote: "Norman Finkelstein has been the American Jewish community's
problem-child---denounced as a hysteric, a marginal ideologue, and a
self-hating Jew. " The article generated 311 comments so far but there
one attack against me from an anonymous Israeli that made me write in
this group:

> 330,000 Jews were murdered by Romania during WWII, mostly in
> Transnistria. We should forget this simply because Miha Ahronovitz
> doesn't like it? Who the hell are you to tell us what we can do
> and what we can't? Most people who saw atrocities didn't get out
> alive. They burnt with gasoline in Odessa or were machine-gunned
> in Vapniarka.
>
> Do we know what Anne Frank saw before she was gassed in death? No
> we don't, her diary stopped before she was deported and before she
> saw the worst. You have no logic whatsoever, and certainly no decency.
>
this seemed to be a response to this post

> I like Chomsky, in spite of his controversy. Never heard of
> Finklestein before and this excellent interview, - I love how Tablet
> covers all Jewish underdogs - this educated gentleman has some
> psychological fog to travel through. He should try a lecture of
> Likutey Moharan of Rabbi Nachman from Breslov. Here is a quote:
>
> "When people want to become truly religious and serve G-d, they seem
> to be overwhelmed with confusions and frustrations. They find great
> barriers in their path and cannot decide what to do"
>
> Perhaps for Finklestein, G-d is "Intellectual Honesty" although this
> is as precise saying my home address is on planet earth. Rabbi Nachman
> continues:
>
> " All the enthusiasm that such people have trying to do good is very
> precious, even if their goal is not achieved. all their offer is
> counted as a sacrifice in the category "for your sake we are killed
> each day, we are counted as sheep for the slaughter". The Tikuney
> Zohar states that this psalm 44:23 speaks of both prayer and sacrifice"
>
> Viewed from this angle, Mr. Finklestein is what Breslov calls "an
> Erlicher Yid", an Honorable Jew in Yiddish. He has desire and longing.
> "of course", Rabbi Nachman says "this not enough, for this must be
> realized in action.
>
> So when labeling Finklestein anti-Jewish, he is not. He is very
> Jewish, because of his genuine desire to bring good into the world. As
> we discover our great Rabbi wisdom is not propaganda and Rabbi Nachman
> was, to begin with, a rebel of sorts, who maintains freshness today
> more than ever
>

Natan79 has some colorful language, like "Nazi bitch", or "F..k you
donkey face, go to your rat hole, the marines will smoke you out of
there and check your teeth."

Well, I noticed that Bukowina had 27,000 Jews. How do we jump from
27,000 to large % of the 300,000 Jews. Does anyone calculated recently
this number?

The number is not as relevant as the tragedy. As Arnold Daghani wrote in
his diary, after learning that all prisoners from Mikailowka were
transferred to Tarassiwka and butchered , he was deeply traumatized.
"not even today", he wrote many years after" " I was able to go over
it". He felt guilty he escaped and they didn't. But the total number of
Jews killed was 4,000 and not 4 millions, and this why, Yad Vashem
rejected Daghani holocaust documents as minor, or because "too few
atrocities"

See Note 2
  http://mirceavorona.blogspot.com/2012/05/arnold-daghani-who-is-he.html

Also in Romanian Moldavia, Dobrogea and Valachia, under general
Antonescu control, the Jews survived almost intact.(I would never had
have been around otherwise). Not that Antonescu was savior - he was
antisemitic - but he decided to defend what he considered all Romania
citizens. Paul Celan and Arnold Daghani were saved because they escaped
to Romania (Paul Celan parents were killed because they fled to Ukraine,
I believe).

So what was the real number? Some people unable to judge values,
consider people quality according to how wealthy they are. It is the
same simple mind that considers the tragedy of Holocaust based on how
many more millions we can add to the dead.

Miha Ahronovitz

PS: Bucharest was full of Jewish people born in Bukowina. They were
Romanians and they were , I can say, an elite of of the Bucharest Jewish
people almost 100% secular, exposed to the Austrian education system
once. But whereas in Wien, Bukowina sounded like a distant mostly
Jewish province (Ich bin ein Wiener von Bukowiner), in Bucharest the
opposite happens. The communists replace this pleasant feeling with a
general desire to emigrate as soon and we can.

<http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/102054/qa-norman-fin
kelstein>

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