Re: [Cz-L] Address help

Bruce Reisch is correct about the abbreviations for the names
of the suburbs of Czernowitz. Where in the city directories,
there is only a number and an abbreviated name of the suburb,
the number may denote a building plot.

I believe that in the suburbs, people often built houses without
getting a building permit, also that streets and house numbers
were not as regulated as in the city.
That is why in the 1909 directory, My grandfather Moses Reifer,
is listed as living in Manasteriska, but no street address or number
is given.
In the 1914 directory, he is listed as living at 516 in Manasteriska.
Yet I am sure that he lived the whole time in the same house.
Later on the street on which my grandfather lived, was known
as the "Verlaengerte Pumnulgasse" and given a house numbers.
Currently the street is known as "ulitsa Pumnula". It is properly paved
and is a much more desirable place to live on, than it was
when my father was a child and and people from Manasteriska
were considered very poor and lower class.
I was able to find the house of my grandparents, even though
the house number had been changed.
The numbers had been changed in an orderly fashion and by
questioning a passerby, I found that the number 100 was added
to the old number.

Mimi

On Oct 20, 2012, at 7:46 PM, AJS1PRES_at_aol.com wrote:

> I was looking at the 1898 city directory. Line 5318 is my great
> grandfather, Nuchim Kremnitz. It shows him living at number 344 in
> KA, but
> no street
> name.
> Line 8495 is Srul Moses Ruff, my great great grandfather. I
> believe his
> first name was Israel, but I'm guessing Srul is Israel. Anyway,
> they also
> show him at number 344, but no street name, also in KA. Would you
> guess
> that
> the transcribers couldn't read the name of the street, and that the
> correct
> address for both is 344 Synagogengasse? I know this is just a guess.
> One other question, if I may be so bold: what does the E/G/W
> column mean?
> East and west?
>
>
> Bruce Wexler
>
> *****
> Reply from Bruce Reisch:
> Regarding the abbreviations used – KA stands for the district of
> Kaliczanka. From the first page of the 1898 directory, here is the
> Key:
>
>
> "E = Hauseigentümer G = Geschäftslokal W = Wohnung CZ = Innenstadt
> HO =
> Horecza RO = Rosch KA = Kaliczanka KL = Klokuczka MA = Manasteriska
> E = Homeowners G = Business office W = Domicile CZ = Inner city HO =
> Horecza RO = Rosch KA = Kaliczanka KL = Klokuczka MA = Manasteriska"
>
>
> E is listed as Homeowners – so I take this to mean that the
> address is for
> someone owning their own home. Domicile/Wohnung – where the family
> lived,
> likely an apartment?
>
>
> So, when you get to the district of Kaliczanka – why is there no
> street
> name? Well in many many places, streets were named later, but
> houses were
> always numbered. And the house numbers changed in different
> periods if
> they
> went through and re-numbered houses for some reason. "Cadastral"
> maps show
>
> property locations and house numbers. The archives probably have
> Cadastral
> maps from 1898. Someone would need to go there and look up these
> maps and
> find the exact location for house 344 in Kaliczanka. Then perhaps
> you'd be
> able to find it on a current map, perhaps Yandex (?), to have a look.
>
>
> This is really a good question for the list. I might be wrong
> about the
> house number thing, but I've seen exclusive use of house numbers for
> my
> Radauti family in the 1800s, but in the 1900s, addresses in the
> records
> show streets and house numbers.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Bruce Reisch
>
> ******
>
> Also from Bruce Wexler:
>
> My mother told me her parents lived on Main St., which I took to mean
> Hauptstrasse, which comes off of the Ring Platz. Just now looking
> at the
> map, at
> area N13 I see KA-Hauptstrasse. So now I'm wondering if that's the
> Main
> St. she was talking about, especially if my great grandfather lived
> nearby.
> I'm assuming in those days families would try to live as close to
> each
> other
> as possible. Could of course, be a wrong assumption.
> If you have a chance, I'd appreciate your comments.
> Bruce
>
>
> Bruce Wexler
>

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