RE: [Cz-L] Address help

Bruce...

I'd like to reaffirm Bruce Reisch's excellent statement concerning your questions, adding the following material/data:

1. See the original scans from the 1898 directory and the cadastral map excerpts from "The Land Register of Francis I" from the year 1854 at:

http://ehpes.com/blog1/2012/10/21/house-no-344-in-czernowitz-or-kaliczanka/

Sruel Moses Ruff, homeowner, wagoner [?], Kaliczanka 344. There is no earlier (1895) or later (1905) address directory entry for Sruel.

2. Keeping in mind its location, it's unlikely, that house no. 344 was a private house. My guess is, that you are looking for house no. 344 in Kaliczanka (not Klokuczka), located somewhere very close to the Kaliczankaer Hauptstraße. There was no house in this range of numbers in 1854, just a parcel of land, but at the end of the 19th century the situation may have changed.

3. Transcribing the directories, we didn't introduce any assumptions, so it's still - with a small typo - "Sruel".

Apart from this I'd like to point to Bruce Reisch's notes and do hope these data will be helpful to you!

Edgar Hauster
Lent - The Netherlands

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> From: AJS1PRES_at_aol.com
> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:46:42 -0400
> Subject: [Cz-L] Address help
> To: czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu
>
> I was looking at the 1898 city directory. Line 5318 is my great
> grandfather, Nuchim Kremnitz. It shows him living at number 344 in KA, but
> no street
> name.
> Line 8495 is Srul Moses Ruff, my great great grandfather. I believe his
> first name was Israel, but I'm guessing Srul is Israel. Anyway, they also
> show him at number 344, but no street name, also in KA. Would you guess
> that
> the transcribers couldn't read the name of the street, and that the
> correct
> address for both is 344 Synagogengasse? I know this is just a guess.
> One other question, if I may be so bold: what does the E/G/W column mean?
> East and west?
>
>
> Bruce Wexler
>
> *****
> Reply from Bruce Reisch:
> Regarding the abbreviations used – KA stands for the district of
> Kaliczanka. From the first page of the 1898 directory, here is the Key:
>
>
> "E = Hauseigentümer G = Geschäftslokal W = Wohnung CZ = Innenstadt HO =
> Horecza RO = Rosch KA = Kaliczanka KL = Klokuczka MA = Manasteriska
> E = Homeowners G = Business office W = Domicile CZ = Inner city HO =
> Horecza RO = Rosch KA = Kaliczanka KL = Klokuczka MA = Manasteriska"
>
>
> E is listed as Homeowners – so I take this to mean that the address is for
> someone owning their own home. Domicile/Wohnung – where the family lived,
> likely an apartment?
>
>
> So, when you get to the district of Kaliczanka – why is there no street
> name? Well in many many places, streets were named later, but houses were
> always numbered. And the house numbers changed in different periods if
> they
> went through and re-numbered houses for some reason. "Cadastral" maps show
>
> property locations and house numbers. The archives probably have Cadastral
> maps from 1898. Someone would need to go there and look up these maps and
> find the exact location for house 344 in Kaliczanka. Then perhaps you'd be
> able to find it on a current map, perhaps Yandex (?), to have a look.
>
>
> This is really a good question for the list. I might be wrong about the
> house number thing, but I've seen exclusive use of house numbers for
> my
> Radauti family in the 1800s, but in the 1900s, addresses in the records
> show streets and house numbers.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Bruce Reisch
>
> ******
>
> Also from Bruce Wexler:
>
> My mother told me her parents lived on Main St., which I took to mean
> Hauptstrasse, which comes off of the Ring Platz. Just now looking at the
> map, at
> area N13 I see KA-Hauptstrasse. So now I'm wondering if that's the Main
> St. she was talking about, especially if my great grandfather lived
> nearby.
> I'm assuming in those days families would try to live as close to each
> other
> as possible. Could of course, be a wrong assumption.
> If you have a chance, I'd appreciate your comments.
> Bruce
>
>
> Bruce Wexler
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