Re: [Cz-L] Groisse Shil

Thank you, Mimi, to share your memories! As you know, I love to listen to your stories! I learn from this, which is a real pleasure.

To everybodies orientation, this is where the Groisse Shil is located: http://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=25.943674%2C48.296675&spn=0.033903%2C0.003909&z=16&l=map%2Cstv&ol=stv&oll=25.93894769%2C48.29703188&ost=dir%3A53.54889423438956%2C15.810734093483488~spn%3A90%2C37.412981537213064

Shortened URL: http://bit.ly/YRH5cW

Christian

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 13:28:14 -0500
> Von: Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> An: "Christian Herrmann" <cyberorange_at_gmx.de>
> Betreff: Re: [Cz-L] Groisse Shil

> I will only answer your P.S. right now.
> I am not a religious person, nor were my parents.
> As far as I know, I was never in any synagogue in Czernowitz.
> I also think that most probably, I even never was in the old Jewish
> quarter in the lower city.
> Actually, I take this back, because I remember the train station from
> my childhood.
>
> My mother in her youth sang in the quire of the Tempel,
> she also was born and lived till the age of 16 at #4 Karolinengasse,
> which is right next to the Tempel. That is why I knew about it.
>
> Czernowitz was incredibly snobbish, even though many of the Jewish
> inhabitants
> were only one or two generations removed from the orthodox, the poor
> and the uneducated,
> once they were educated and rose above poverty, they wanted to have
> very little to do
> with the poor, uneducated and orthodox or the ones who did not speak
> German.
>
> Mind you, we did not deny our Jewishness, my parents and their friends,
> were actually proud of it and spoke and read good literary Yiddish.
> They also maintained good relations with their relatives who lived in
> the surrounding villages,
> but socially they kept their distance from those who lived in the
> lower town.
>
> Can you tell me exactly at what street intesection the "groisse
> sheel" is located?
>
> I will write more in a few days,
>
> Alles Gute,
>
> Mimi
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Christian Herrmann wrote:
>
> > Dear Mimi,
> >
> > the Groisse Shil is in the former Synagogengasse in the lower part
> > of the city, not very far from the train station and the Turkish
> > fountain. Together with the old Jewish cemetery, the Jewish
> > hospital and more synagogues around this was the heart of the old
> > Jewish quarter.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > P.S.: Isn't it funny that I, a non-Czernowitzer can explain the
> > locations to you, a real Czernowitzer?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 10:28:11 -0500
> >> Von: Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> >> An: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> >> CC: Christian Herrmann <cyberorange_at_gmx.de>, Hardy Breier
> >> <hardy3_at_bezeqint.net>, Czernowitz Discussion Group <czernowitz-
> >> l_at_cornell.edu>, Cornel Fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
> >> Betreff: Re: [Cz-L] Groisse Shil
> >
> >> I would be very grateful if someone who knows would tell me where
> >> "the groisse Shil"
> >> is located. Also: were the services in this synagogue more orthodox
> >> than in the Tempel?
> >> (to transcribe the Yiddish pronunciation, it really should be written
> >> "the groisse sheel")
> >>
> >> Mimi
> >> On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Edgar Hauster wrote:
> >>
> >>> Christan, Hardy, Cornel et al...
> >>>
> >>> You described exactly the status of the Groisse Shil, as
> >>> experienced by me in summer 2011. Please have a look:
> >>>
> >>> http://ehpes.com/blog1/2011/07/05/aprilmay-2011-galicia-bukovina-
> >>> twelve-slide-shows/
> >>>
> >>> Happy Chanukkah!
> >>>
> >>> Edgar Hauster
> >>> Lent - The Netherlands
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------
> >>>> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 00:58:09 +0100
> >>>> From: cyberorange_at_gmx.de
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Groisse Shil
> >>>> To: HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET; Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu;
> >>>> cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Hardy, dear Cornel,
> >>>>
> >>>> the Groisse Shil is still a carpenter's workshop. I do not know
> >>>> who is the legal owner. Every year I go there with the volunteers.
> >>>> If you ask at the office if it's possible to visit the building,
> >>>> the secretary will tell you the boss has to decide, but the boss
> >>>> is absent. If you ask the workers at the entrance at the back side
> >>>> of the building they will ask you to come in and - if they have
> >>>> time - will show and explain everything. Once I offered the
> >>>> foreman a tip for letting us in and beeing nice to us. He rejected
> >>>> it, even beeing a bit insulted, saying the building was once a
> >>>> synagougue, a house of god. Czernowitz.
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>>>> Datum: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 21:00:43 +0200
> >>>>> Von: HARDY BREIER <HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET>
> >>>>> An: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>, "\'CZERNOWITZ-L
> >>>>> \'" <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
> >>>>> Betreff: Re: [Cz-L] Groisse Shil
> >>>>
> >>>>> C,
> >>>>> Because it leaks,
> >>>>> Status of synagogue unchanged as far as I know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hardy
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "cornel fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
> >>>>> To: "'HARDY BREIER'" <HARDY3_at_bezeqint.net>; "'CZERNOWITZ-L'"
> >>>>> <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:30 PM
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Groisse Shil
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Does anybody know who is asking for this money? And why only the
> >>>>> roof..is
> >>>>>> the inside back in Jewish hands???? Cornel
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