Re: [Cz-L] A Sunken Treasure of Czernowitz

Who took those censuses?
  High school students and the like .
    If they put you in as an idiot you were a certified idiot.
     With documentation to prove it !
   Not like today with all those amateurs harming the reputation
   of the professionals !
Hardy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
To: "Hardy Breier" <hardy3_at_bezeqint.net>; "Czernowitz Discussion Group"
<czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
Cc: "Eliezer Schaffer" <vn18533_at_netvision.net.il>; "Bruce Reisch"
<bir1_at_nysaes.cornell.edu>; "Jerome Schatten" <romers_at_shaw.ca>; "Merle
Kastner" <merlek_at_videotron.ca>; "Nomy Weber" <nsweber_at_smile.net.il>; "Yosef
Eshet" <eshet1_at_netvision.net.il>; "Ken Cutler" <kcutler_at_goldmandaszkal.com>;
"Sylvie Reicher Gsell" <gsell.sylvie_at_gmail.com>; "Jean Weightman"
<weightman_at_btinternet.com>; "Ilana Gordon" <ilana_at_wordwizardsinc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] A Sunken Treasure of Czernowitz

Hardy and all...

Thank you all for your very kind appreciation. As a matter of fact, the
census sheets provide even more information than the civil records, i. e.:

- names (surnemes, forenames, titles [of nobility])
- relationship (degree of relationship to the occupant)
- sex
- dates of birth
- places of birth
- rights of residence (places of origin)
- religion
- civil status
- common language
- regular occupation (description, position)
- secondary occupation (description, position)
- houseowning, landowning
- literacy level (reading and writing, just reading, none)
- disabilities (blind, deaf-dumb, idiotic, cretin [!?])
- residence
- remarks

That's a wealth of thrilling data and so - as long as these data are not yet
public - my advice to all, who are visiting the Regional Archives of
Czernowitz, would be: DON'T RESTRAIN YOUR RESEARCH TO THE CIVIL RECORDS
ONLY, BUT ASK EXPRESSLY FOR THE CENSUS PRIMARY DATA!

Warmest wishes as always!

Edgar Hauster • MacBook
Lent • The Netherlands

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> From: HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET
> To: bconcept_at_hotmail.com; czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu
> CC: vn18533_at_netvision.net.il; bir1_at_nysaes.cornell.edu; romers_at_shaw.ca;
> merlek_at_videotron.ca
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] A Sunken Treasure of Czernowitz
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:53:56 +0300
>
> Dear Edgar , many many thanks.
> This document brings back history.
> We can learn a lot from this.
> Take the title alone: Anzeigezettel fur Personen und wichtigsten
> hauslichen
> Nutzthiere.
> Census sheet for persons and most important house livestock.
> Meaning horses ,cattle, poultry, cats and dogs and other house animals.
> 1890.
> Hardy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> To: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
> Cc: "Eliezer Schaffer" <vn18533_at_netvision.net.il>; "Bruce Reisch"
> <bir1_at_nysaes.cornell.edu>; "Jerome Schatten" <romers_at_shaw.ca>; "Merle
> Kastner" <merlek_at_videotron.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 9:42 PM
> Subject: [Cz-L] A Sunken Treasure of Czernowitz
>
>
> Czernowitzers...
>
> On September 1st of last year I got an outstanding birthday present, i. e.
> a
> mail from my friend Dragos Olaru, an outstanding researcher and archivist
> from Czernowitz:
>
> "Nearly all primary data to the censuses effected for the CITY OF
> CZERNOWITZ
> during the Austrian period for the years 1869/70, 1880/81, 1890/91 and
> some
> of them for the year 1900 are deposited in our archives. I knew before
> about
> their existence, but thanks to Eli [Eliezer Schaffer] I examined several
> files and realized that these primary data are hiding a real treasure: the
> names of all persons registered house by house including the dates of
> birth,
> the localities where they came from coming to Czernowitz, their
> professions,
> the degree of relationship among themselves, etc. The first censuses were
> effected by house numbers, the last ones by streets [and house
> numbers...]."
>
> Just a short seemingly trivial notice, but in fact A GENEALOGICAL
> BREAKTHROUGH, made possible by the priceless persistence of Eliezer
> Schaffer
> from Haifa and by the thoughtful cooperativeness of Dragos Olaru. Just
> imagine, at the end of the day you will be able
>
> • to track the migration movement of your family,
> • to interchange house numbers with streets [+ house numbers] and much,
> much
> more.
>
> We spent months to crosscheck this find, but now, in order to give an
> insight into these data to all of you, I'm publishing one of "my"
> census-return forms both on my Blog and in parallel on our ehpes.com Blog:
>
> http://hauster.blogspot.de/2013/04/a-sunken-treasure-of-czernowitz.html
> http://ehpes.com/blog1/2013/04/09/a-sunken-treasure-of-czernowitz/
>
> The document is dated January 3rd, 1891, displaying my great-grandparents
> Isak Hauster and Chane Jente Silber as well as four of their children,
> among
> them my grandfather Elias Hauster.
>
> Well, dear friends, we have located A SUNKEN TREASURE OF CZERNOWITZ, but
> how
> to recover it, individually or collectively? I don't know yet, but stand
> on
> me, I'm working on this subject!
>
> Enjoy the discovery and the possible future effects on your genealogical
> researches!
>
>
>
> Edgar Hauster • MacBook
> Lent • The Netherlands
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