Re: [Cz-L] Fundamental Genealogical Question

From: Gary Davis <ashglen_at_rogers.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:35:14 -0300
To: Gary Rogovin <grcpa_at_att.net>, jerome schatten <romers_at_shaw.ca>
Reply-To: Gary Davis <ashglen_at_rogers.com>

Yes, but beyond a couple of generations it is possible that one or more
ancestors could be in two places on the chart. For example my great
grandmother¹s mother could also be my other great grandmother¹s mother
without breaking the usual rules about marrying relatives (assuming a
formal marriage took place).

But at that stage some form of notation is needed, and as a Jew I have an
aversion to assigning numbers to people. I make exceptions where athletes
are concerned and in some other cases. Maybe M and F would be better.
Then, using Gary Rogovin¹s method, I would be M (for male) and my mother
would be MF (for female parent of M). Her father would be MFM and his
mother would be MFMF. Alas, M and F could also be interpreted as ³mother²
and ³father² so the meaning would have to be explained at the outset.

I happen to know that in my case MFMFMMFM is Rabbi Menachem Mendel Stern,
where I am the M on the left. It seems like a compact way of writing it
and with a name attached it gives a unique designation except for those
ancestors who are in two or more places on the chart, of whom there are
many in most families I am sure.

Gary Davis

On 2014-03-13, 5:42 PM, "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa_at_att.net> wrote:

>3-13-14
>
>Jerome,
>
>I am sorry, but I must disagree. One does not have eight great
>grandparents
>("But when talking about great-grandparents, you have eight of them: four
>maternal grand-parents and
>four paternal grand-parents").
>
>Each person has grandparents, great grandparents, great great
>grandparents,
>great great great grandparents and so on.
>
>Simply always think of a given person in the grandparent line in relation
>to
>yourself when counting great grand parents.
>
>For example, my father's great grandfather would be calculated in relation
>to me as follows:
>my father's father (my paternal grandfather)
>my father's, father's father (my paternal great grandfather)
>my father's, father's father's father (my paternal great great
>grandfather)
>
>To calculate what the "great" number is for a specific ancestor
>grandparent
>(grandfather or grandmother), simply subtract one from the number of
>father's (mother's) presented beyond your own father (or mother) and for
>each of those remaining after subtrating one, add the word great.
>
>For example, my father's, father's (great), father's (great), father
>(great)
>has three father's (great) beyond my father, so then subtract one, That
>leaves two fathers (great) which equals great great grandfather to me.
>
>The greats progression obviously applies to both paternal and maternal, so
>my mother's, father's father's father would be my maternal great great
>grandfather.
>
>Gary Rogovin
>

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