Re: [Cz-L] Fundamental Genealogical Question

Gary,

First of all, call me Gary please.

Second, I was really thinking of the next generation after that, but in
any case the question was sort of theoretical as well as practical. If
all ancestral couples were unrelated the population going back would have
been 2 to the power of whatever number of generations, and 2 to the 30th
is about 214 million. That would take us back to about 1000 c.e., when
the population of the world was about 400 million. We are not descended
from half the population then, so there must be some duplication of
ancestors along the way.

You and I are almost certainly cousins!

Gary D

On 2014-03-13, 9:23 PM, "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa_at_att.net> wrote:

>3-13-14
>
>Mr. Davis,
>In your example you have two great grandmothers. In order for your great
>grandmother's mother to also be your other great grandmother©ös mother, it
>would have to mean that your two great grandmothers were sisters. In
>order
>for your two great grandmothers to be sisters, it would have to mean that
>one of the sisters is the mother of your grandfather and the other sister
>is
>the mother of your grandmother. Is that the case, assuming there was no
>breaking the usual rules about marrying relatives? If that is not the
>case,
>could you kindly explain to me then in simple terms, how your great
>grandmother©ös mother could also be your other great grandmother©ös mother,
>assuming no divorce and subsequent marriage.
>
>Thank you, Sir.
>
>Gary Rogovin
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Davis" <ashglen_at_rogers.com>
>To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa_at_att.net>; "jerome schatten" <romers_at_shaw.ca>
>Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
>Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Fundamental Genealogical Question
>
>
>Yes, but beyond a couple of generations it is possible that one or more
>ancestors could be in two places on the chart. For example my great
>grandmother©ös mother could also be my other great grandmother©ös mother
>without breaking the usual rules about marrying relatives (assuming a
>formal marriage took place).
>
>But at that stage some form of notation is needed, and as a Jew I have an
>aversion to assigning numbers to people. I make exceptions where athletes
>are concerned and in some other cases. Maybe M and F would be better.
>Then, using Gary Rogovin©ös method, I would be M (for male) and my mother
>would be MF (for female parent of M). Her father would be MFM and his
>mother would be MFMF. Alas, M and F could also be interpreted as ©ømother©÷
>and ©øfather©÷ so the meaning would have to be explained at the outset.
>
>I happen to know that in my case MFMFMMFM is Rabbi Menachem Mendel Stern,
>where I am the M on the left. It seems like a compact way of writing it
>and with a name attached it gives a unique designation except for those
>ancestors who are in two or more places on the chart, of whom there are
>many in most families I am sure.
>
>Gary Davis
>
>
>
>
>On 2014-03-13, 5:42 PM, "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa_at_att.net> wrote:
>
>>3-13-14
>>
>>Jerome,
>>
>>I am sorry, but I must disagree. One does not have eight great
>>grandparents
>>("But when talking about great-grandparents, you have eight of them: four
>>maternal grand-parents and
>>four paternal grand-parents").
>>
>>Each person has grandparents, great grandparents, great great
>>grandparents,
>>great great great grandparents and so on.
>>
>>Simply always think of a given person in the grandparent line in relation
>>to
>>yourself when counting great grand parents.
>>
>>For example, my father's great grandfather would be calculated in
>>relation
>>to me as follows:
>>my father's father (my paternal grandfather)
>>my father's, father's father (my paternal great grandfather)
>>my father's, father's father's father (my paternal great great
>>grandfather)
>>
>>To calculate what the "great" number is for a specific ancestor
>>grandparent
>>(grandfather or grandmother), simply subtract one from the number of
>>father's (mother's) presented beyond your own father (or mother) and for
>>each of those remaining after subtrating one, add the word great.
>>
>>For example, my father's, father's (great), father's (great), father
>>(great)
>>has three father's (great) beyond my father, so then subtract one, That
>>leaves two fathers (great) which equals great great grandfather to me.
>>
>>The greats progression obviously applies to both paternal and maternal,
>>so
>>my mother's, father's father's father would be my maternal great great
>>grandfather.
>>
>>Gary Rogovin
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "HARDY BREIER" <HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET>
>>To: "Jerome Schatten" <romers_at_shaw.ca>; "Czernowitz Discussion Group"
>><czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:10 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Fundamental Genealogical Question
>>
>>
>>> J, you say:
>>> "A person has two parents; 4 grandparents; and 8 great-grandparents,
>>> right?"
>>>
>>> Wrong ! 16 gg-parents !
>>>
>>> Every grand parent has 4 g-parents just as you.
>>>
>>> Hardy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jerome Schatten" <romers_at_shaw.ca>
>>> To: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:17 AM
>>> Subject: [Cz-L] Fundamental Genealogical Question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Czernowitzers...
>>>>
>>>> You would think I would know this, but I don't, so help me out here:
>>>>
>>>> A person has two parents; 4 grandparents; and 8 great-grandparents,
>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> So, when talking about grandparents, there isn't any problem; you have
>>>>a
>>>> maternal gf and a paternal gf; a maternal gm and a paternal gm, right?
>>>> Easy peasy.
>>>>
>>>> But when talking about great-grandparents, you have eight of them:
>>>>four
>>>> maternal grand-parents and four paternal grand-parents.
>>>>
>>>> If I wanted to identify (write about) one out of the eight, how would
>>>>I
>>>> properly do that? For example: What is the proper way to identify my
>>>> grandfather's father on my my mother's side more succinctly than 'my
>>>> grandfather's father on my mother's side'?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a standard way of doing this?
>>>>
>>>> Help?
>>>> jeome
>>>>
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