Shelley, until somebody invents time travel we have to look at the world through books...as long as one looks at many books and gets a good overview...not just accepting one writer's conclusions.An open mind also helps! Cornel
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From: Shelley [mailto:shemit65_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 5:22 PM
To: cornel fleming
Cc: jerome schatten; CZERNOWITZ-L; Frederick M. Weisinger; Anny Matar
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
There is a danger in taking out sections of a book, one that I was guilty of myself. But we cannot look at the world through books.
(Hardy, you probably said this better). A dissertation writer is like a history student. Many books, many views. Maybe your view, Cornel, is the sanguine view that things weren't so bad. It is one thing to do business with the local population and another to mingle with them en masse. Maybe your world, like the world of my great grandparents in Kolomea before 1938, was similarly not so bad. If a Jew wants his/her child to marry a Jew and to stay a Jew, you only mingled with Jews, socialized with Jews. This is as common today as it was then.
In my youth here, men were rejected by girls because they weren't Jewish. It is blindness to admit that this does not bring ill-will.
"They think they're too good for me."
Read to judge a book; look to judge the world around you.
Shelley
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:00 AM, cornel fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net> wrote:
> Hi all! At this stage I want to add my bit! I too had the "Jerome"
> impression..but he said it better than I could! But...now the comment
> re "persistent economic misery"....this is arrant nonsence.Of course
> there were poorer people and richer people,but all my books seem to
> say that overall the Bukowina was a prosperous area with
> well-developed social,cultural, and educational facilities....and that
> is certainly not an area of total economic misery. None of my very
> extended family were in a money-lending etc business and all were reasonably well-off and working in the timber trade,in
> Law, in Medicine, in Music teaching,in Journalism etc etc. The author of
> this dissertation seems to have had a few prejudices!!!!! Cornel
>
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> [mailto:bounce-118671230-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of jerome
> schatten
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:42 PM
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Cc: Frederick M. Weisinger; Anny Matar
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
>
> Fred...
>
> At first I could not understand what you were getting at when you said:
> "The tittle does tell a lot about the direction of the book". Then,
> this morning, Anny Mater wrote to me: "...Jew hatred was nothing new
> and the title "sanguine"= French, for bloodsuckers can't really tell
> anything favorable about the Jews."
>
> I began to see the multiple ways in which 'sanguine' is being used and
> interpreted by the folks discussing this thread. So... how to really
> understand the 'title', "A Sanguine Bunch"?
>
> It is my understanding that 'sanguine', usually refers to a rosy,
> optimistic disposition, or one's favouring the best possible outcome.
>
> At the very end of the summary section, talking about the 1908
> Celebrations in Vienna, the author says:
>
> "Czernowitz had commemorated its 500th existence shortly before with a
> parade focusing on Austrian accomplishments [...] It was hardly
> surprising that in the press the traditional criticism surfaced again:
> nobody in the West really knew about Bukovina and the cheerful folksy
> tableaux on display hid the persistent economic misery in the land."
>
> Is it posible that this may be the 'sanguinity' in the title rather
> than 'bloodsucking'. In other words, the 'Pollyanna-ish' attitude of
> the Monarchy?
>
> Best,
> jerome
>
> -snip-
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