Dear Dale,
Your mention of cow dung as a floor covering is very believable to me.
I experienced it myself when I observed the mixture of cow dung, some mud or clay and some straw, smeared over the floor and let dry and hardened. That was in Moghilev, when I was in Transnistria in concentration camp. Many Ukrainian houses used that.
It is in my book : " From Czernowitz (Chernivtsi) Life in three continents. memoir of a survivor.
Felix
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On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Dale Prince <daleprince_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Cornel,
>
> Your words about economic conditions remind me of a couple of things to
> suggest there were in fact places in Bukowina where persistent poverty
> existed near prosperity, education, and high culture.
>
> Many years ago I was able to interview several older relatives who had known
> the immigrant generation of our extended family that settled in Chicago.
> Most of the immigrants were born in Sadagora between 1875 and 1900,
> emigrated as young adults, and had childhood recollections of Sadagora
> (Rohozna, to be exact). My grandfather was born there about 1879 and left
> at about age 20. All the relatives I spoke with emphasized how poor our
> family had been in Sadagora. Of course this could be an exaggeration
> reinforced by repeated retelling, but over the years an extended family of
> at least 40 individuals left the town for America. One relative told me
> that my grandfather said they were so poor the floor of the home was of cow
> dung. I don't know whether this is to be believed literally. Could this be
> true? According to an encyclopedia article I have seen about Sadagora,
> there was a part of the town where people lived in such misery that it was
> popularly called -- if I remember correctly -- Babylonia.
>
> Dale Prince
> New York
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-118672496-3499338_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-118672496-3499338_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of cornel
> fleming
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 5:00 AM
> To: 'jerome schatten'; 'CZERNOWITZ-L'
> Cc: 'Frederick M. Weisinger'; 'Anny Matar'
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
>
> Hi all! At this stage I want to add my bit! I too had the "Jerome"
> impression..but he said it better than I could! But...now the comment re
> "persistent economic misery"....this is arrant nonsence.Of course there were
> poorer people and richer people,but all my books seem to say that overall
> the Bukowina was a prosperous area with well-developed social,cultural, and
> educational facilities....and that is certainly not an area of total
> economic misery. None of my very extended family were in a money-lending etc
> business and all were reasonably well-off and working in the timber trade,in
> Law, in Medicine, in Music teaching,in Journalism etc etc. The author of
> this dissertation seems to have had a few prejudices!!!!! Cornel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-118671230-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-118671230-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of jerome
> schatten
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:42 PM
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Cc: Frederick M. Weisinger; Anny Matar
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
>
> Fred...
>
> At first I could not understand what you were getting at when you said:
> "The tittle does tell a lot about the direction of the book". Then, this
> morning, Anny Mater wrote to me: "...Jew hatred was nothing new and the
> title "sanguine"= French, for bloodsuckers can't really tell anything
> favorable about the Jews."
>
> I began to see the multiple ways in which 'sanguine' is being used and
> interpreted by the folks discussing this thread. So... how to really
> understand the 'title', "A Sanguine Bunch"?
>
> It is my understanding that 'sanguine', usually refers to a rosy, optimistic
> disposition, or one's favouring the best possible outcome.
>
> At the very end of the summary section, talking about the 1908 Celebrations
> in Vienna, the author says:
>
> "Czernowitz had commemorated its 500th existence shortly before with a
> parade focusing on Austrian accomplishments [...] It was hardly surprising
> that in the press the traditional criticism surfaced again: nobody in the
> West really knew about Bukovina and the cheerful folksy tableaux on display
> hid the persistent economic misery in the land."
>
> Is it posible that this may be the 'sanguinity' in the title rather than
> 'bloodsucking'. In other words, the 'Pollyanna-ish' attitude of the
> Monarchy?
>
> Best,
> jerome
>
> -snip-
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