Dear all
Just a few facts known to me, without going into depth research about the
causes behind those facts. 1. The majority of Jews in eastern Europe were
poor. Being observant they they had big families, which made them even
poorer. 2. Cow dung was used as binding material between mud an straw. A
mixture used as construction material. 3. Shakespeare's Shylock was a
prototype of a usurers. 4. Learning and scholarship were the most estimated
qualities among the the Jews. Every observant "Gevir" looked for a "Talmid
Khakham" as a son in law. 5. The Socialist Zionist movements rejected the
traditional social structure of Jews in which the layer of production
workers was a minority.
A belated Happy 2015 New Year
Yosef Eshet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Prince" <daleprince_at_hotmail.com>
To: "'cornel fleming'" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>; "'jerome schatten'"
<romers_at_shaw.ca>; "'CZERNOWITZ-L'" <CZERNOWITZ-L_at_list.cornell.edu>
Cc: "'Frederick M. Weisinger'" <fredhotman_at_yahoo.com>; "'Anny Matar'"
<annymatar_at_gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 5:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
> Hi Cornel,
>
> Your words about economic conditions remind me of a couple of things to
> suggest there were in fact places in Bukowina where persistent poverty
> existed near prosperity, education, and high culture.
>
> Many years ago I was able to interview several older relatives who had
> known
> the immigrant generation of our extended family that settled in Chicago.
> Most of the immigrants were born in Sadagora between 1875 and 1900,
> emigrated as young adults, and had childhood recollections of Sadagora
> (Rohozna, to be exact). My grandfather was born there about 1879 and left
> at about age 20. All the relatives I spoke with emphasized how poor our
> family had been in Sadagora. Of course this could be an exaggeration
> reinforced by repeated retelling, but over the years an extended family of
> at least 40 individuals left the town for America. One relative told me
> that my grandfather said they were so poor the floor of the home was of
> cow
> dung. I don't know whether this is to be believed literally. Could this
> be
> true? According to an encyclopedia article I have seen about Sadagora,
> there was a part of the town where people lived in such misery that it was
> popularly called -- if I remember correctly -- Babylonia.
>
> Dale Prince
> New York
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-118672496-3499338_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-118672496-3499338_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of cornel
> fleming
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 5:00 AM
> To: 'jerome schatten'; 'CZERNOWITZ-L'
> Cc: 'Frederick M. Weisinger'; 'Anny Matar'
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
>
> Hi all! At this stage I want to add my bit! I too had the "Jerome"
> impression..but he said it better than I could! But...now the comment re
> "persistent economic misery"....this is arrant nonsence.Of course there
> were
> poorer people and richer people,but all my books seem to say that overall
> the Bukowina was a prosperous area with well-developed social,cultural,
> and
> educational facilities....and that is certainly not an area of total
> economic misery. None of my very extended family were in a money-lending
> etc
> business and all were reasonably well-off and working in the timber
> trade,in
> Law, in Medicine, in Music teaching,in Journalism etc etc. The author of
> this dissertation seems to have had a few prejudices!!!!! Cornel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-118671230-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-118671230-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of jerome
> schatten
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:42 PM
> To: CZERNOWITZ-L
> Cc: Frederick M. Weisinger; Anny Matar
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Book of the Month, January 2015: "A Sanguine Bunch"
>
> Fred...
>
> At first I could not understand what you were getting at when you said:
> "The tittle does tell a lot about the direction of the book". Then, this
> morning, Anny Mater wrote to me: "...Jew hatred was nothing new and the
> title "sanguine"= French, for bloodsuckers can't really tell anything
> favorable about the Jews."
>
> I began to see the multiple ways in which 'sanguine' is being used and
> interpreted by the folks discussing this thread. So... how to really
> understand the 'title', "A Sanguine Bunch"?
>
> It is my understanding that 'sanguine', usually refers to a rosy,
> optimistic
> disposition, or one's favouring the best possible outcome.
>
> At the very end of the summary section, talking about the 1908
> Celebrations
> in Vienna, the author says:
>
> "Czernowitz had commemorated its 500th existence shortly before with a
> parade focusing on Austrian accomplishments [...] It was hardly surprising
> that in the press the traditional criticism surfaced again: nobody in the
> West really knew about Bukovina and the cheerful folksy tableaux on
> display
> hid the persistent economic misery in the land."
>
> Is it posible that this may be the 'sanguinity' in the title rather than
> 'bloodsucking'. In other words, the 'Pollyanna-ish' attitude of the
> Monarchy?
>
> Best,
> jerome
>
> -snip-
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