8-14-15
Dear Mr. Hauster,
Thank you for your immediately below email response.
Perhaps it is I who should say I'm sorry for the confusion, not yourself.
However, I do have the following questions:
1) can you please tell me how you deduced that 69, 835 were non Jews. I
understand that you multiplied 112,487 X 62.10 % to arrive at 69,835. But
how did you come up with 62.10%?
2) specifically where does the 69,835 come from? Can you direct me to the
census that has that specific breakdown and how you calculated that figure?
3) how did you arrive at the 32,731 figure?
4) how do you know that none of the 32,731 (= 29.10 %) who declared Yiddish
as their mother tongue were Jewish? Does that not seem unusual that out of
that many Yiddish speaking persons, not one is a Jew?
Mr. Hauster, I do not mean to beat this to death. Your answers to the above
four questions should hopefully provide the needed information to put this
all to bed.
Thank you Sir.
Respectfully,
Gary Rogovin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa1_at_gmail.com>
Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti
Gary...
Sorry for confusion and let me try to explain it in another way: In 1930 the
total population of the municipality of Cernauti (Czernowitz), i. e. the
urban population, added up to
112,427 inhabitants, out of which
42,592 (= 37.90 %) were Jews,
69,835 (= 62.10 %) were non-Jews.
The summation of the three figures (42,592 + 32,731 + 42,932) DOESN'T WORK
since these figures stand for the answer on three different questions,
raised by the interviewers:
What is your nativity? 42,592 (= 37.90 %) declared themselves being Jewish.
What is your monther tongue? 32,731 (= 29.10 %) declared Yiddish as mother
tongue.
What is your religion? 42,932 (= 38.20 %) declared Mozaic religion.
I do hope now, after mentioning the number of non-Jews (69,835 = 62.10 %)
explicitly, the calculation becomes much more understandable. Sorry once
again for confusion.
Edgar Hauster
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> From: grcpa1_at_gmail.com
> To: bconcept_at_hotmail.com
> CC: czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti
> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:07:45 -0700
>
> 8-12-15
>
> Mr. Hauster,
>
> Thank you for your reply. However, I still cannot reconcile the 112,427
> total to your below breakdown of Jews AND non-Jews, out of which,
> attention,
> multiple entries,
>
> 42,592 (= 37.90 %) were Jewish,
> 32,731 (= 29.10 %) declared Yiddish as mother tongue,
> 42,932 (= 38,20 %) declared Mozaic religion.
>
> I assume that by multiple entries, you are referring to the above three
> (45,592 +32,731+42,932).
>
> Can you please show me how you arrived at 112,247 (i.e. X+Y+Z+ etc. =
> 112,247)
>
> Thank you sir.
>
> Gary Rogovin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edgar Hauster" <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
> To: "Gary Rogovin" <grcpa1_at_gmail.com>; "alexander rosner"
> <alexanderrosner_at_yahoo.de>; "Hardy Breier" <hardy3_at_bezeqint.net>; "Cornel
> Fleming" <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
> Cc: "Czernowitz Discussion Group" <czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 12:58 AM
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Being Rumanian/size of population of Cernauti
>
>
> Gary...
>
> According to the "Census of Romania for the Year 1930 for the Province of
> Bukovina"
>
> http://czernowitz.blogspot.de/2014/05/census-of-romania-for-year-1930.html
>
> the TOTAL population of the municipality of Cernauti (Czernowitz), i. e.
> the
> URBAN population, was in 1930:
>
> 112,427 Jews AND non-Jews, out of which, attention, multiple entries,
>
> 42,592 (= 37.90 %) were Jewish,
> 32,731 (= 29.10 %) declared Yiddish as mother tongue,
> 42,932 (= 38,20 %) declared Mozaic religion.
>
> The Province of Bukovina in total was subdivided in 5 departments (URBAN
> AND
> RURAL POPULATION), namely:
>
> 94,816 for the Campulung Department out of which 7,738 (= 8.20 %) were
> Jewish,
> 306,194 for the Cernauti Department out of which 51,247 (= 16.70 %) were
> Jewish,
> 160,778 for the Radauti Department out of which 11,508 (= 7.20 %) were
> Jewish,
> 169,894 for the Storojinet Department out of which 15,322 (= 9.00 %) were
> Jewish,
> 121,327 for the Suceava Department out of which 6,677 (= 5.50 %) were
> Jewish,
>
> 92,492 (= 10,80 %) were Jewish out of a total population of 853,009 for
> the
> Province of Bukovina. Among the non-Jews were:
>
> 379,691 Romanians (= 44.50 %)
> 11,881 Hungarians (= 1.40 %)
> 75,533 Germans (= 8.90 %)
> 7,948 Russians (= 0.90 %)
> 236,130 Ruthenians (= 27.70 %)
> 63 Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians (less than 0.10 %)
> 133 Bulgarians (less than 0.10 %)
> 671 Czechs, Slovacs (less than 0.10 %)
> 30,580 Poles (= 3.60 %)
> 12,437 Hutsuls (= 1.50 %)
> 23 Greeks (less than 0.10 %)
> 1 Albanian (less than 0.10 %)
> 260 Armenians (less than 0.10 %)
> 49 Turks (less than 0.10 %)
> 28 Gaguz people (less than 0.10 %)
> 2,164 Gypsies (= 0.30 %)
> 2,317 others (= 0.30 %)
> 608 non declared (less than 0.10 %)
>
> These figures make clear, why many of us refer to Czernowitz as a "Jewish
> city", while the Jewish share of the population for the Bukovina in total
> was just over 10 %. I do hope these data will be helpful to you (and
> others)
> and illustrate the multiethnicity of Bukovina.
>
> Edgar Hauster
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