Re: Happy Birthday Ukraine
"No way Jose," can Napoleon Bonaparte be compared to Hitler.
In Jewish History he can maybe be compared to Alexander the Great.
Till today so many Jewish boys and Girls are named Alexander and
Alexandra. The same but (much less) concerning Napoleon, many
Jews have/carry Napoleon as a personal name, others have
Bonaparte as a family name ( I know of one Israeli family that
Hewerized their Bonaparte family name to Ben Porat).
Changing the name to Bonaparte became so popular with Jews
in France at the time of Napoleon that the local Rabbis proposed
a Hebrew translation of the name Bonaparte which is "Lekah Tov,"
Why was he so liked among the Jews? I'll just mention 2 two (of
many reasons):
a) He Promised to liberate Eretz Yisrael from the Ottoman Empire and
give it to Jews (YES about 148 years before the re-establishment of
Jewish sovereignty on (small) parts of Eretz Yisrael).
b) As part of this "package deal," he promised the Jews to rebuild
the Holy Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
As the saying goes, there are no free meals. All Napoleon wanted
in exchange, was Jewish support in his Middle East Campaign.
It seems that our Jewish ancestors, got cold feet, and bet on the
wrong horse, and all the rest as we say is HISTORY.
Historians do not like to use the 2 two letter word "IF," but just think
"IF" our Jewish Ancestors would have jumped at Napoleon's proposal
(about 1800) and we would have had Jewish sovereignty then, it might
have saved us from the calamities of the 19th and 20th centuries,
like Pogroms and Holocaust.
Aizic Sechter
Israel
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 7:07 AM, Czernowitz Genealogy and History
digest <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu> wrote:
> CZERNOWITZ-L Digest for Friday, August 26, 2016.
>
> 1. Re: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
> 2. [Cz-L] Manfred Stern
> 3. [Cz-L] Document the Jewish cemetery in Storojinets
> 4. RE: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
> 5. RE: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
> 6. [Cz-L] Book of the Month, August 2016: Yellow Pages for Bukovina 1935
> 7. [Cz-L] Czernowitz Jewish Cemetery Volunteers on Ukrainian TV (TVA)
> 8. Re: [Cz-L] Manfred Stern
> 9. Re: [Cz-L] Manfred Stern
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
> From: Josefine Koch <josefineaz_at_gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:49:13 -0700
> X-Message-Number: 1
>
>
> Wow , you are comparing Bandera , Petlura and Chmielnizki to Napolion
> and 1000 BC to 2016 ? You most be joking . Are you also comparing the
> Holocaust to a war ? Or are you under the impression that it did not
> happen in Ukraine ?
> [Josefine Koch]
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Hardy Breier <hardy3_at_bezeqint.net> wrote:
>> Like the railway tracks of Soviet trains and the rest of Europe our minds
>> will never meet:
>> They are of a different gauge width,
>>
>> Hardy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bounce-120720702-3499476_at_list.cornell.edu
>> [mailto:bounce-120720702-3499476_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Taylor,
>> Miriam R
>> Sent: 25 August 2016 19:53
>> To: Josefine Koch
>> Cc: Hardy Breier; Christian Herrmann; Czernowitz Mailing-Liste
>> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
>>
>> I have no answer to this question.
>> But I can give an example of a national hero who was and is despised By
>> nations against whom he fought.
>> I mean Napoleon. He fought numerous wars, as a result of which thousands
>> died.
>> The French, the Jews and possibly others think highly of him, but in England
>> he is compared to Hitler.
>> Mimi
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:59 PM, "Josefine Koch" <josefineaz_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That might be true, but how many nations in 2016 would honor
>>> Chmielnitzki , Bandera or Petlura as national heroes ?
>>>
>
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>
> Subject: [Cz-L] Manfred Stern
> From: "Taylor, Miriam R" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:12:36 +0000
> X-Message-Number: 2
>
> While in Czernowitz, I noticed a street name and a memorial plaque
> To Manfred Stern. I googled him and found out that he was born in Hliboka
> south of Czernowitz, was a Soviet spy in America, high up in the NKVD
> And GRU. He was also known as Moshe Stern, or Lazar Stern.
>
> Mimi
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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>
> Subject: [Cz-L] Document the Jewish cemetery in Storojinets
> From: Daniel Horowitz <Daniel_at_genealogy.org.il>
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:20:00 +0300
> X-Message-Number: 3
>
> --001a113e5728a1cdb1053af5303a
> [Plain Txt, Daniel, Please.]
>
>
> Dear fellow Czernowitzers, this was send to the Rom-SIG on JewishGen:
>
> An important new project has been announced by Brooke Schreier Ganz, to
> clean up and document the Jewish cemetery in Storojinets formerly in
> Bukovina, now Stororzhynets in Ukraine. It is only 12 miles/20km
> southwest of Czernowitz (Chernivtsi).
>
> No 18th or 19th Jewish century records are known to have survived from here,
> just a few early 20th century ones. But the cemetery has 18th, 19th and
> 20th
> century burials, and it is in decent shape. Smaller Bukovinian towns may
> have also used this cemetery.
>
> Brooke's project is raising money to document it all, photograph and
> transcribe everything. They are raising money. All photos and data
> will be made available as public domain, and will also be sent to
> JOWBR, and anyone else who wants it! Student interns from the
> Chernivtsi Museum of History and Culture of Bukovinian Jews are doing
> the work, riding 45 minutes to the site. They will be taking at least 2
> photos of every tombstone, and will even mark the locations on a
> newly-created map of the whole cemetery (section,row,number).
>
> The newer half of the cemetery is in very good shape, but the older half
> is full of weeds. The money needed to be raised (about $2000.) will be
> to pay for the clean up of the weedy area, and also includes the cost of
> eventual transcription/translation work. And all donations are tax
> deductible through JewishGen! Here is the link to the Rom-SIG
> JewishGen-erosity site so you can make those donations to the
> Storojinets Cemetery Documentation Project :
>
> <http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=20>
>
> Rosanne Leeson
> Coordinator Rom-SIG
> VIA: Daniel Horowitz
> Daniel_at_genealogy.org.il
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>
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
> From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:48:50 +0100
> X-Message-Number: 4
>
> Mimi, In England Napoleon is in no way compared to Hitler!!! Cornel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-120720702-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-120720702-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Taylor,
> Miriam R
> Sent: 25 August 2016 17:53
> To: Josefine Koch
> Cc: Hardy Breier; Christian Herrmann; Czernowitz Mailing-Liste
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
>
> I have no answer to this question.
> But I can give an example of a national hero who was and is despised
> By nations against whom he fought.
> I mean Napoleon. He fought numerous wars, as a result of which thousands
> died.
> The French, the Jews and possibly others think highly of him,
> but in England he is compared to Hitler.
> Mimi
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
> From: Hardy Breier <hardy3_at_bezeqint.net>
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:53:20 +0300
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> Cornel ,
> Is this information reliable ?
> To whom is he compared then?
> Napoleon Bonaparte from Corsica who brought glory to the people of France.
> This info is crucial in our decision on Stefan Bandera 1941.
>
> Hardy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cornel fleming [mailto:cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net]
> Sent: 26 August 2016 12:49
> To: 'Taylor, Miriam R'; 'Josefine Koch'
> Cc: 'Hardy Breier'; 'Christian Herrmann'; 'Czernowitz Mailing-Liste'
> Subject: RE: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
>
> Mimi, In England Napoleon is in no way compared to Hitler!!! Cornel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bounce-120720702-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-120720702-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Taylor,
> Miriam R
> Sent: 25 August 2016 17:53
> To: Josefine Koch
> Cc: Hardy Breier; Christian Herrmann; Czernowitz Mailing-Liste
> Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Happy birthday Ukraine!
>
> I have no answer to this question.
> But I can give an example of a national hero who was and is despised By
> nations against whom he fought.
> I mean Napoleon. He fought numerous wars, as a result of which thousands
> died.
> The French, the Jews and possibly others think highly of him, but in England
> he is compared to Hitler.
> Mimi
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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