Re: [Cz-L] Kislinger - Kaindl - Winkler genealogy in Czernowitz

From: Gabriel Winkler <gabrielwinkler_at_outlook.com_at_nowhere.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 15:50:37 +0000
To: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Gabriel Winkler <gabrielwinkler_at_outlook.com>


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Dear Edgar,

Thank you so much for the link, and sorry for the delay I am answering with=
. I was just lost in the information I found there, while we do not speak/r=
ead German for some generations already. Despite this fact, I could find ve=
ry interesting things there.

For example I found the father of Ernestine Johanna Winkler, named Jakob Wi=
nkler, who seems to had been killed by the peasants in 1862 while he was a =
businessman. The thing is that before this discovery, I had already found t=
he death certificate of Jakob Winkler from February 1864 and a letter from =
his son (Emmerich Emanoil Winkler) to the Romanian primeminister Kogalnicea=
nu in which he said that his father (Jakob) was beaten to death by the peas=
ants and they also suffered a fire destruction in that year of 1864. The ye=
ars do not match however. I do not know what to believe to be the truth. Ma=
ybe he was beaten "to death" in 1862, and really to death, again in 1864.

Another interesting thing that I could confirm is that Ernestine was born "=
von" Winkler. Also her brother Emmerich Emanuel Winkler (on my line) is reg=
istered in his second marriage certificate from 1860, Vaslui, Moldavia, as =
having the profession "noble".

What I only know is that Emmerich Emanuel Winkler graduated the k.k.<https:=
//de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserlich-k%C3%B6niglich> Polytechnische Institut =
in Wien<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien> around 1848, then he went to a =
war (which war is not known to me - as an Austrian officer). His father, Ja=
kob Winkler married Anna de Baczko, and was the son of Joanne(i)s Winkler a=
nd Magdalena Matuszewska, as per his marriage certificate from 1830, Czerno=
witz. Because his father was dead and they were not yet at the age of major=
ity, Jakob and Magdalena needed and got the permission to marry from the "F=
orum Nobili" from the city of Stanislawow, Galizien (now Ivano-Frankivsk, U=
kraine). On another branch of my family there is Dr. Jur. Anton von Winkler=
 who came in Jassy, Moldavia around 1828, it seems from Czernowitz, as an A=
ustrian KK diplomat. Again, I could no trace his past, but only the name of=
 his parents from his death certificate - (another) Jakob and Clara.

Now I wonder where can I find the roots of my Winkler family. Maybe there i=
s a place to look for noble families of the Habsburg Empire who went to Gal=
izien or Bukowina. If anyone can help, I would very much appreciate it.

Kind Regards,
Gabriel Winkler

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From: Edgar Hauster <bconcept_at_hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:30 PM
To: Gabriel Winkler
Cc: Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu; jerome schatten
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] Kislinger - Kaindl - Winkler genealogy in Czernowitz

Dear Gabriel,

In addition to Jerome's message, please let me draw your attention to ANNO,=
 the Austrian Online Newspaper Archives. Using the ANNO advance search engi=
ne

http://anno.onb.ac.at/anno-suche#searchMode=3Dsimple&from=3D1

by performing a so called distance search: "kaindl winkler"~10

you'll get 22 matches out of which Czernowitzer Tagblatt, 15-Apr-1915 editi=
on will be of special interest to you:

https://bit.ly/2WpRSu3

>From the obituary for Ernstine Kaindl n=E9e v. Winkler you'll learn i. a. t=
hat Ernestine had four sons:

=95 Municipal Officer Josef Kaindl
=95 Director Maximilian Kaindl
=95 Professor Rafael Kaindl
=95 University Professor Dr. Raimund Friedrich Kaindl

There are many many more discoveries to be made by you by checking thorough=
ly ANNO. Enjoy!

Edgar Hauster


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