Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:24:06 +0000
To: Karin Perrin <karin_at_karinp.co.uk>
Hi Karin
Happy to have helped to stimulate this point (along with Arthur, Bertie and
others)
re the dual nationality point see below from the Austrian Embassy in London
website - I think dual nationality is fine if you qualify using this route
(which is another question)
Alan
Citizenship for descendants of victims of National Socialism –
Österreichische Botschaft London (bmeia.gv.at)
<https://www.bmeia.gv.at/en/austrian-embassy-london/service-for-citizens/citizenship-for-descendants-of-victims-of-national-socialism/>
According to the new § 58c para. 1a of the Austrian Citizenship Act
*descendants
of victims of the National Socialist regime* can *acquire Austrian
citizenship by means of a declaration *(“Anzeige”), without having to give
up their current citizenship or nationality in return.
Please note, however, that the law in some countries provides for the
*automatic *loss of its citizenship or nationality if you acquire another
citizenship. In case of doubt, please check with the competent authority of
your home country.
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 12:18, Karin Perrin <karin_at_karinp.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Alan
>
> A conundrum.
>
> You are encouraging me to investigate the route of Austrian citizenship.
> The Romanian route is stagnating. Various excuses…
>
> I never thought that joining the Czernowitz group would lead to such
> interesting conversations… 😊
>
>
>
> Karin
>
>
>
> *From:* Alan Gavurin <gavurin_at_gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 26 January 2021 11:36
> *To:* Karin Perrin <karin_at_karinp.co.uk>
> *Cc:* Arthur von Czernowitz <vonczernowitz_at_yahoo.com>;
> czernowitz-l_at_cornell.edu; glasgold_at_bellsouth.net
> *Subject:* Re: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal
> Support
>
>
>
> Thank you Karin & Arthur for raising the Austrian Citizenship question
>
>
>
> Firstly, Karin it seems that you must have a chance to apply again to
> Austria having already once held citizenship. I think there is a
> significant element of restitution and nations trying to confront errors of
> the past in some of these recent changes to citizenship rules - also see
> Portugal and, to a lesser extent, Spain.
>
>
>
> The issue of dual nationality is clearly important, especially to those of
> us in the UK who are looking to re-create our links to Europe after the
> terrible disaster of Brexit. I believe Romania does, Poland is not keen but
> may do so and Germany has now changed its rules to not allow it with non EU
> countries (like the UK post 2020) although if you are applying for German
> citizenship because it was lost as a result of Nazi oppression then you CAN
> apparently hold dual citizenship.
>
>
>
> I have struggled with understanding the Austrian offer. I will try and
> look into it in more detail but it could be interesting. Does it matter
> that, after leaving Kolomya & Vijnita, my grandparents went to Germany and
> never lived in what is modern-day Austria?
>
>
>
> My grandparents on my mother's side came from Kolomyja and Vijnita
> (Wiznitz) - the two towns are 50km apart but when they were born in
> 1908/1911 one was in the Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia and one was
> in the A-H province of Bukovina. Now both are in Ukraine (via USSR). In
> between WW1 & WW2 Vijnita was in Romania.
>
>
>
> So we have been looking at Romanian citizenship (as I said previously) and
> also German citizenship as my mother was born there in 1938 but as my
> grandparents never became German citizens this is proving difficult.
>
>
>
> So what is it to be?
>
>
>
> Happy to discuss this further with anyone who knows more about the
> Austrian option or wants to compare notes
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 11:09, Karin Perrin <karin_at_karinp.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> Just musing on the Austrian passport options….
>
>
>
> Many many years ago, after living in the UK for many years, I became a UK
> citizen. At the time the Austrians (not members of the EU till 1995) asked
> me to sign a document giving up my Austrian citizenship “for ever” . (I had
> had Austrian citizenship since I was a child – I am not sure on what basis
> my father was able to get this after the war when the whole family was
> stateless after escaping Romania). The Austrian government, at the time I
> became a UK national (1980s), would not accept dual nationality. The UK had
> no problem with dual nationalities and I believe still does not. Just
> mentioning this in case it affects the route to Austrian citizenship – do
> they still refuse dual citizenship even if part of the EU now? On my
> mother’s side of the family we are indeed old “Austro Hungarians” so in
> principle Arthur’s idea might be a route I also could take, in search of a
> EU passport. But I personally might be blocked due to my “unpatriotic
> actions”!
>
>
>
> Regards to all.
>
> Karin
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-125331222-87608252_at_list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-125331222-87608252_at_list.cornell.edu> *On Behalf Of *Arthur von
> Czernowitz
> *Sent:* 25 January 2021 13:55
> *To:* Alan Gavurin <gavurin_at_gmail.com>
> *Cc:* czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu; Gold-Glasberg, Ruth <
> glasgold_at_bellsouth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [czernowitz-l] Applying for Romanian Citizenship - Legal
> Support
>
>
>
> Hello Alan
>
> I believe that you and your brother are after an European passport.
>
> I thing that there is another way, you can also try in obtaining an
> Austrian passport if you can prove that your grandfather had Austrian
> citizenship.
>
>
>
> Do you speak Hebrew? If yes I could possibly help you with the Romanian
> route.
>
>
>
> Arthur
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2021, at 3:21 AM, Alan Gavurin <gavurin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Friends
>
>
>
> Forgive me if this has been discussed before but my brother and I are
> considering applEying for Romanian citizenship because our late
> grandfather was born in Wiznitz/Vijnita/Vyzhnytsia in 1911
>
>
>
> Have any of you gone down this path? I know of at least one other
> Czernowitzer who is.
>
>
>
> Can any of you recommend a good Romanian lawyer who could help us.
>
>
>
> I have already approached two Romanian lawyers - one says he does not take
> cases where the relatives come from outside current Romanian borders (ie
> present day Ukraine) and the other does not speak English so we are really
> struggling to understand the technicalities and I don't think Google
> Translate is helping very much
>
>
>
> Any recommendations would be gratefully received
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
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