RE: New member introduction from Larry Lobel on 2004-02-10 (The Czernowitz-L Archive)

From: Larry Lobel <hayforker_at_earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:23:58 -0800
To: <mtaylor_at_bio.indiana.edu>
Reply-To: hayforker_at_earthlink.net

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Hello
Mimi, 

Thanks for
your welcome. I don't recognize the names you're
researching.

Something
I wonder about is why my grandfather and his cousins left Bukovinaduring
the years 1906-16. According to the history I've read, this was before the
persecution and murder of the Jews, yet the Bleiweiss' left a prosperous
business (they owned the soda-water factory in Unter-Stanestie) and my
grandfather at age 18 left behind his parents, brothers and sisters whom he
probably realized he would never see again. There must have been some
compelling reason(s) they abandoned their family and homeland.


I know
from my grandmother, Dora (Schames) Lobel (1896-1987) that there were
anti-semitic pograms in 1905-07 which were the main reason her family emigrated
from the Vinnitsa, Ukrainearea, about 150 miles east of Czernowitz.
Though Bukovinawas a different geopolitical area with different
government, culture, customs, etc. than Russia &Ukraine, anti-Semitism
seems to transcend all boundaries throughout history up to the present day, and
I'm speculatingthatanti-Jewish pograms were also taking place
in the Czernowitz area at the same time; can anyone on the List confirm
this? 

Larry
Lobel


Researching:
LOBEL/LOEBL/LOBL, SUSSMAN, BLEIWEISS
(Unter-Stanestie, Sadagura, Czernowitz in Bukovina) 
SCHAMIS, EISEN (Janova,Vinnitsa in
Russia-Ukraine) 
PETRARU. FEUERSTEIN/FEIRSTEIN (Dorohoi in
Romania) 
GOLDBERG/GOLDENBERG (Botosani in Romania)
SCHWARTZ (Bojan in Romania)
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 <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message-----From: Miriam R. Taylor
 [mailto:mtaylor_at_bio.indiana.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004
 6:31 AMTo: hayforker_at_earthlink.netSubject: Re: New
 member introductionDear Larry,
 Welcome to the Czernowitz group. My name is Miriam (Mimi) Taylor and I
 am a real Czernowitzer - born there and lived there until 1945. Last
 summer I returned for the first time to the city of my early childhood and
 I might go for another visit this summer. You joined the group just when
 there seem to be far more disagreements than usual. We are mostly a
 quite amiable group researching our genealogical roots and the nature of
 life in Czernowitz and vicinity in the late 19th century and first half of
 the twentieth. Some of my relatives with who's descendants I have lost
 contact also immigrated to the US. The names are Reifer and Sommer.
 
 Best regards, Mimi
 Larry Lobel wrote:
 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">
 <DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN class=770095422-06022004>Hello
 Czernowitzers,</DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004></DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004>My name is Larry Lobel. I'm 54 years old and
 live in California, though I'm a native of New York City. I became
 interested in my family history about 15 years ago and have done research on
 and off during that time. Mymaternal grandfather, Jacob Lobel
 (1889-1960), a native of Bukovina, emigrated to the US in 1907. He
 said he came from Unter-Stanestie, which through my research I found to be a
 small town near Sadagura and Czernowitz, which he also used to mention by
 name. He was fluent and literate in German, Hebrew, Yiddish and
 English, and had a beautiful handwriting. For many years he was the
 secretary of the landsmannshaft, First Sadagorer Young Men's Benevolent
 Association. I have copies of the minutes he kept in Hebrew of the
 organization's meetings in the 1950s. He is buried in the Baron Hirsch
 Cemetery in Staten Island, New York, where I remember seeing a monument
 inscribed with the name of the
 landsmannshaft.</DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004></DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004>I'm very pleased to learn of your list and the
 shtetl web site. When the records and photos become available from the
 Sadagora and Czernowitz cemeteries, I think I might find my ancestors
 in them. My great-grandparents, Schulem and Mantsya Lobel, I was told
 passed away there in the influenza epidemic of
 1918.</DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004></DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004>I was fascinated and moved by Clifford Rees's
 report of his trip to Czernowitz, which has many parallels to my background,
 my interest in genealogy, and my own family history pilgrimage, which I made
 to Vienna in 1991. My description of this was published in Ancestry
 Magazine, and can be seen at this website - <A
 href="http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/ancmag/849.asp">http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/ancmag/849.asp</DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004></DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004></A>For now, I'd like to know if anyone on the List has heard of the town
 of Stanestie, and can tell me anything about it - population, how close it
 was to Sadagura-Czernowitz, does anything remain of it,
 etc?</DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004></DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004></DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004>Larry
 Lobel</DEFANGED_SPAN></DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_DIV><DEFANGED_SPAN
 class=770095422-06022004>Petaluma, California
 
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