Re: [Cz-L] Popovici plaque, latest developments

Dear All,
  The sequence of procedure, if we want the plate done :

    1. Get the money - we need some 3000 $ .
        If we dont have it you may stop reading the following.
         I just saw a 1500 contribution coming in.

    2. Get in touch with Anatoly and give him a retainer.
          He will get the license find the house and shorten the text.
          There is consesus that he can do it.
           We ,as outsiders , are not able to understand or do it.
             It is just too bad we were not told earlier by locals what to
do ,and save time.
              But even now ,we do not listen to reason and continue the
impossible way.
            As our discussion on the 20,000 - 19600 problem.
               We can have any number we like - on Traians tomb it says
25000.
             Historic truth ? We will never know . Nobody can tell. Nor does
it matter.
              Nobody disputes any number . It is just us .
                The text can be shortened (see my version).
                 To tell the whole story you would need a plate 2 stories
high.
             We can do without the crowd of people on the plate.
             It does not contribute to the subject and is space robbing.
                 So let us get in touch with Anatoly and get things moving.
                        Hardy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Taylor" <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
To: "Czernowitz Genealogy and History" <czernowitz-l_at_list.cornell.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:43 AM
Subject: [Cz-L] Popovici plaque, latest developments


> Dear All,
>
> I would like to review what I know so far about having the plaque to
> Traian Popovici made and put up in Chernivtsi.
> As far as I can ascertain, the usual procedure for having a plaque
> placed in a public space in Chernivtsi, is as follows:
>
> 1. The first step is to get the permission of the city council.
> This as I wrote previously, I obtained in March of this year.
>
> 2. The next, or second step, is to obtain the city authorities'
> permission,
> to place the plaque on a specific building. I do not know whether
> the group who was in Chernivtsi recently ascertained that the building
> Traian Popovici lived in, is #24 Kobilianskoy, or whether it is
> another building. From Hedwig Brenner we obtained a very good
> description
> of the location of the building, but the house numbers, might have been
> changed since 1941. If those who were in Chernivtsi recently, do not
> have
> the current house number of the building, I will ask someone living
> in Chernivtsi to obtain it for me.
> I am not sure I understand correctly, whether Josef Zissels, already
> took
> care of this second step or not.
>
> 3. The third step requires us, once we decide on the content (wording) of
> the plaque, the design and the size to send this information to the city
> authorities for additional approval. This approval has to be given by
> the vote of the elected city council, or people's deputies a their next
> session.
>
> 4. Then we are free to choose the artist or artisan, to make the plaque
> and place it on the approved site.
>
> About choosing the artist/artisan and the design:
> The generally approved and customary method, is to obtain designs and
> price
> quotes from a number of artists/artisans and then choose the most pleasing
> and least expensive one. I have obtained price quotes from two reputable
> American companies which make bronze memorial plaques. These are for a
> simple bronze plaque devoid of ornamentation except for a raised border,
> but with the inscription in the three languages, as we agreed upon.
> Shipping a bronze plaque to the Ukraine, will involve extra cost,
> but IS FEASIBLE.
>
> I am also looking into the possibility of having someone other
> than Mr. Piantkovski make the plaque for us in Chernivtsi and hope to get
> suggestions and price quotes in the near future.
>
> It is tempting to go ahead with making our arrangements with the sculptor
> Anatoly Piantkovski. His initial sketch for the plaque was brought back
> from
> Chernivtsi by Marianne Hirsch and Leo Spitzer and can now be viewed on the
> "ehpes" website. This is only a preliminary design and would have to be
> changed so as to include the inscription we decided on, as well as any
> other
> changes we may find esthetically more pleasing.
> We would need to get more information from Mr. Piantkovski about the size
> of
> the plaque, the cost and the method of payment. Apparently, if he were to
> make the plaque, without the bronze bass relief of the portrait of
> Mr. Popovici, the price would be about $1000, but with the portrait
> included, it would be around $2500.
>
> When I asked members of the list to let me know the maximum contribution,
> each would consider giving to this project, I received 12 answers which
> specified the maximum sum, each of these individuals considered
> contributing. A few others volunteered to contribute unspecified sums.
> I now think that we probably can raise $1000 for this project, but equally
> think it most unlikely that we can raise $2500. We are not nearly close to
> this sum.
>
> As I get more artists/artisans proposals for the plaque, I will ask Jerome
> to put them on the website, so you can all consider them and voice your
> opinions. I will also try to contact Anatoly Piantkovski in order to work
> out a design which is in line with what we can afford.
>
> I will also work on getting the second authorization referred to above
> approved, in case Josef Zissels has not already done so.
>
> In closing I would like to thank all who have helped with this project and
> particular thanks go to Lyudmila Aliyeva, a member of this group who lives
> in Chernivtsi and has been very helpful in providing information and
> explaining the workings of the city administration in matters, such as
> this
> commemorative plaque.
>
> Please send your responses to this letter to the whole list,
>
> Shabbat Shalom,
>
> Mimi
>

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