Re: [Cz-L] YiddishKeit(?)/Yehadut

From: HARDY BREIER <HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET>
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:01:07 +0300
To: Bruce Reisch <bir1_at_nysaes.cornell.edu>, "Ya`akov N. Miles" <yehudi2_at_shaw.ca>, Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu
Reply-to: HARDY BREIER <HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET>

  It all started in bringing up Yiddish sayings and now this.
   I want to point out that the use of derogatory sayings were so old
   and deeply rooted in our speech that the implications evaded us.
    " Fonye Ganew " was applied to everything Russian ( also to Russian
Jews).
     Sometimes " Fonye " alone -no Ganew. This was the jewish passive
     revenge for being called "Jid" on a daily basis.
       This term is probably hundreds of years old and belongs to the
      Eastern European Yiddish street vocabulary.
       We did not invent it , it came down from our ancestors.
      Then came the emancipation and Kaiser Franz Joseph, the benefactor
       whom we attached the non flattering nick- name of "Kire Weidel"
      Weidel -Schwanz - tail , Kire I cannot find a lead to this.
           Everything had its name.
        To sum matters up : We didn't like Russians . Why so ? I don't know=
 
.
         Until 1940 we haven't seen many. Then came the Russians.
           Then we knew.
                 Hardy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Reisch" <bir1_at_nysaes.cornell.edu>
To: "Ya`akov N. Miles" <yehudi2_at_shaw.ca>; <Czernowitz-L_at_cornell.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] YiddishKeit(?)/Yehadut


At 11:54 -0400 7/9/08, Ya`akov N. Miles wrote:
>I am sorry but my (Zionistic) Jewish Education taught me not to support
>the idea of a melting pot of cultures. We Jews were taught not to
>assimilate with the other nations (chukat HaGoyim) Do you observe
>Shabbat and eat Kosher? I do.
>
>Ya`akov Nachum ben Barbara
>-.ݷݷ"
>yehudi2_at_shaw.ca


Hello Ya'akov:

You missed my point. This is not a discussion of
whether I observe Shabbat or eat Kosher, or
whether you observe Shabbat and keep Kosher.
It's not a discussion about your Jewish Education
or mine. It's a discussion about whether
pre-WWII Czernowitz was really a melting pot, and
to what extent did people of different faiths and
backgrounds get along and respect each other. We
know the Kaiser prior to WWI afforded Jews more
rights than in other parts of Europe, for
instance. So to what extent do all the derogatory
Yiddish terms directed at people of various
nationalities reflect the feelings of the Jewish
population at large. (Cornel's point is well
taken).

Bruce

  ps - Kindly remember, Ya'akov, to post in Plain Text.

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