Re: [Cz-L] Mr. Gica's post

Mr. Gica's assertions are a prime example of twisted thinking.
Hardy is right to be furious. But he is wrong about some of his assertions.

Before WW1, while Romania may have been a better country for Jews to live in
than Russia. But in 1918 the Jews of Czernowitz and possibly of all Bukovina
voted with the Ruthenians NOT to become part of Romania.
They also asked British Jewry to intercede on their behalf with the British
government to make sure that Romania gave guarantees that it would give all
Jews in the newly annexed territories, equal rights.
Why the British were so pro Romanian, I do not know.
Could it have been because both Royal houses were related?

The Romanian governments even before 1940 decided not to consider the Jews
of Transilvania, Bucovina and Besarabia as Romanian citizens and
discriminated against them in all possible ways.

Romanian villagers WERE murdered by Russian troops in 1940 or 41, the mass
grave in the Jewish cemetery in Czernowitz is where the bodies were buried.
But they were NOT murdered by Jews.
Jews did not attack and kill Romanians with pitchforks, they did not herd
Romanians into churches and set them on fire. They did not kill Romanians
and hang their bodies in a slaughterhouse, they did not intentionally let
hundreds of people die of thirst in locked railway cars.
Jews did not do this to the Romanians, but Romanians did all this and more
to Jews. Consider also what they did to the Roma (Gypsies).

Many Jews WERE members of the Communist party or sympathizers, both in the
USSR and in Romania, but considering the exploitation of the Romanian lower
classes by their own wealthier brethren, who can blame them. Even though the
territory of Romania had about doubled by being given Besarabia, Bucovina
and Transilvania, Romania in the interwar period remained one of the most
backward countries in Europe. Most of it's population was poor, uneducated
and suffered from malnutrition.

Unfortunately, even now, many Romanians are ill informed, they are not
taught about the Holocaust and it is easy to blame others for one's own
misfortunes.

Mimi

On 5/15/10 11:00 PM, "HARDY BREIER" <HARDY3_at_BEZEQINT.NET> wrote:

> Analyzing Mr Gicas declaration:
>
> The jews of 1918 Romania found asylum from Slavic persecutions.
> HB : True , in 1918 Romania was a better choice after the Russian
> barbaric pogromes. The Jews tipped the choice for Romania.
> The jewish vote was decisive !
>
> However,many of them became NKVD assasins and
> killed and deported over 10,000
> Romanians from Basarabia/Bukovina between 1939-1941 (when Stalin and Hitler
> diktated these Romanian lands be given to Soviet Union and N. transylvania
> to Hungarians).
> HB : Most of the deported were jewish as being exploiters of the workers.
> NKVD assassins ? Never heard of jews assassins. There were some
> communist jewish youngsters who molested Rumanian troops.
> Never heard of mass -killings of Romanians.
>
> Any mass killings of Jews between 1941-1944 were
> retaliations for the Romanian victims killed by the Communist Jews between
> 39-41(you reap what you saw).
>
> HB : Including Chief Rabbi Mark and burning of the Temple !
> Was this to hurt Jewish communists ?
> YET, Romania PROHIBITTED the Germans to take to the extermination camps ANY
> Romanian-Jew, because they were citizens of Romania. Hungary didn¹t,
> Bulgaria didn¹t, Poland didn¹t, Ukraine didn¹t; but ³Fascist² Romania
> PROTECTED its Jews from the camps and only killed the Bukovinean/Besserabian
> Jews who had witnessed and provoked the Romanian genocide between 1939-1941.
>
> HB: True in general (Bulgaria did) - except some Jews in Iassy, Dorohoi,
> Bucuresti
> ,Transylvania .
> Rumanian genocide ?
>
> Hardy

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