Re: [Cz-L] A previous subject/ Old Jewish cemetery

On the subject of the old Jewish cemetery:

I have no definite knowledge of the dates of the first burials in the old
Jewish cemetery, they may predate the Austrian period and they may not, but
they certainly predate 1860 or 1866, when the new Jewish cemetery was
established. They were made in a traditional Jewish folk-style and included
unique decorations.
In my previous message about this subject, I did not in any way allude to
either Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews in Czernowitz or in the old Jewish
cemetery and I have no interest in continuing the debate about whether
Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews constituted the majority of Czernowitz Jewry.

My interest is in preserving at least some of the tombstones from the old
Jewish cemetery, both because of their artistic value and because of the
information they may include.

Hardy has now sent us photographs of some of these old tombstones.
On my next trip to Chernivtsi, I will try to find them and have them placed
in the local Jewish museum.

If any of you know of other suitable museums or collections, which would be
interested in preserving these stones, please advise.

Mimi

On 10/25/10 6:25 AM, "W.A. Terner" <w.a.t-r_at_athenaeum.se> wrote:

> Dear Czernowitzer,
> On Oct. the 19th Yossi Eshet mentioned in his e-mail " a previous subject"
> sent to this list, a document related to a correspondence, apparently from
> the 15th century, between the Chief-Rabbi of Constantinople and the Jewish
> community in Czernowitz. It is, of course, an information of very great
> importance for tracing the history of Jewish ancestry in Czernowitz. I hope
> Yossi will find more details about it and let us know more.
> To this e-mail came a comment from Miriam Taylor with the remark that it is
> possible that after the Austrian takeover of Bukovina Jews from the Ottoman
> Empire came to Czernowitz. It was a repeated assessment in line with her
> theory that organised Jewish life in Czernowitz started first around 1778.
> This comment was not only irrelevant to Yossi Eshets mentioning 15th century
> correspondence but even incorrect as can be understood from the different
> documented sources published and refering to periods before 19th century,
> published even on the internet, for those who would like to be more
> informed.
>
> Hardy Breier's e-mail of Oct. 24th regarding "Old Jewish cemetery" is
> indirectly connected to previous e-mails regarding Jewish organised life in
> Czernowitz as well as to Yossi Eshet's e-mail. .
> The name also used in this context is "Turkish Jewish cemetery/graveyard"
> and implies, of course, that this place started before the Austrian
> takeover.
> It was interesting to read Miriam Taylor's comment to this e-mail in which
> she hopes that Hardy Breier could help find more details with regard to
> those buried there.
> The majority must have been buried there a very long time ago.It is perhaps
> time to accept the documented facts about the existence of organised Jewish
> life long before the Austrian takeover.
>
> The combination between repeating assessments based on simplified wishful
> thinking and a polite and silent majority has often resulted in a distorted
> image of reality, something not unusual in many parts of the world.
> The probable change of opinion is to be commended. A step in the right
> direction can always widen our perception of our history and ultimately of
> ourselves.
> Wolf Terner.
>
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