Mimi...there were certainly military stationed in Czernowitz but in none of
my military history books and their references can I find a Divisional
Headquarters mentioned. I think it more likely the reference is to map
divisions...ie subsections,not in a military sense. If anybody knows better
I would like to know!! Cornel
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[mailto:bounce-8141163-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Miriam Taylor
Sent: 14 February 2011 17:40
To: iosif vaisman
Cc: HARDY BREIER; czernowitz-L; Leo Spitzer; jerome schatten; Edgar Hauster;
Arthur Rindner; Marianne Hirsch
Subject: [Cz-L] Re: Ghetto perimeter fence
Hello Iosif, Hello All,
I have now compared the Romanian text of the ghetto directive a copy of
which was obtained by Leo from the microfilms in the US Holocaust Memorial
Museum, with the German text, from the Gold book, and its English
translation, sent to us by Iosif and have come to the conclusion that some
terms in the Romanian version, have probably been incorrectly translated,
into English.
For instance, where it says in Romanian: "trece prin spatele cartierului
deviziei", the German says: "durch das Viertel der Division verlauft"
and in English: "through the Division Quarter"
I think that the correct translation is:
"goes from the space (location) of the quarters of the division (meaning the
location where the military division is staying).
In some cases I do not know the location of buildings or streets which are
mentioned in the Romanian order. Or I am unable to find them on the 1941
Stadtplan.
Do any of you know where the following are:
Str. Pocutiei
Str. Anton Silvestru
Str. Elena Doamna
Str. Wickenhauser
Str. Vorobchevici
Liceul si Conservatorul on the str. Prezan
Comendatura Politei
When I left Czernowitz in 1945, I did not know Romanian, I knew the street
names only in German and police headquarters, military division quarters and
the like did not interest me.
Thanks for any help,
Mimi
On 2/14/11 10:57 AM, "I Vaisman" <iosif.vaisman_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> German translation:
> http://www.czernowitz.org/sources/ghetto_order_1941_gold_2_50.jpg
>
> English translation from German:
> http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/bukowinabook/buk2_049.html
>
> Iosif
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Miriam Taylor <mirtaylo_at_indiana.edu>
wrote:
>> I think that Leo is right, there was no perimeter fence encircling the
whole
>> ghetto, only those street intersections which controlled the access to
and
>> from the ghetto had road blocks where the identity of people could be
>> checked. A fence could not be erected where a block of buildings was
>> partially in the ghetto because the fronts of the houses were on a ghetto
>> included street and another part of the same block of houses, was not
part
>> of the ghetto, because the houses did not have their fronts on a street
>> included in the ghetto.
>>
>> The copy of the order of the creation of the ghetto, which was sent by
Leo
>> and put up on the Ehpes website by Jerome, is in part not very clear and
>> also contains typing errors. Is there anyone who still knows Romanian
very
>> well, who could translate it precisely?
>>
>> Does anyone know whether some archive in Romania or at Yad va-Shem has a
>> copy of the exact order as published?
>>
>> Mimi
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