Re: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest Jewish pilgrimage

Dear Anny,

Thank you for your comments. While some of the Hasidim may act
inappropriately by getting drunk, which I have never personally seen them do
when I lived amongst them for a time in Boro Park in Brooklyn, NY, USA, it
is hard to believe that all 30,000 descending upon Uman would do so.

Religious Jews are mostly pious and civilized people, unlike the Nazis and
their Ukranian cohorts during WWII. Religious Jews do not burn down
churches, or kill other human beings unless in self defense, with the
possible exception of some extremists living in Israeli settlements on
former Arab land.

Anny, you have precisely hit on my point "they are at it again", meaning
that the old hatred, intolerence and prejudice passed down from one
generation to the next, is still there. "Hey Jew, do not come back to this
land (the Ukraine) where you once dwelled, but if you must visit, be sure to
bring and leave us your filthy money, which we will only be too happy to
wash".

You are right, their hypocrisy is precisely why the Ukranians will not allow
the grave of Rabbi Nachman of Bratslav, aka "the cash cow", to be removed.

If a Jew ventures into an anti-semetic land that was once part of his
history, in this case the land of Czernowitzers, now part of the Ukraine,
does the individual Jew have to be a perfect human being in order to be
allowed to set foot on that land as a "guest"? What human being is perfect?
What Jew is a "guest" in the Ukraine?

Wishing a happy holiday to you and your family.

Gary Rogovin

----- Original Message -----
From: Anny Matar
To: Gary Rogovin
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest
Jewish pilgrimage

Dear Gary,
Before I react to your mail I would like to tell you that I live in Israel,
am not religious but a great believer. I don't go to synagogue because my
"relations" with HIM are mine and not written anywhere.
Now to your letter. Those people young and old are fanatics who converge to
that place in the thousands. They sing, dance, get into a trance and
foremost they get drunk on alcohol. I have it from first hand that they
behave as though the place is theirs and the locals aren't there. These
evoke old hatred which the locals have been fed with their mother's milk and
all the hatred, disgust and preaching they've received are becoming real!!!
Israel, it was in last Friday's Jerusalem Post is trying to move the Rebbe
to Israel for its followers not to have to go there. That the Ukrainians
refuse because IT DOES BRING INCOME. Now what they want to have the cake and
eat it. Hopefully they won't kill the Jews as they did before but there is
little to be proud of or to defend, those are not very nice guests in an
anti-Semitic surrounding.
Wishing you and yours,
Shanah Tova and g'mar Hatimah tova,
Anny Matar

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Gary Rogovin <grcpa_at_att.net> wrote:

9-25-11

Ukraine's nationalists protest Jewish pilgrimage

UMAN, Ukraine (AP) 9-25-11

Police have detained about 100 activists of Ukraine's nationalist party who
protested the annual pilgrimage of Hasidic Jews in southern Ukraine.
About 300 supporters of the nationalist party Svoboda, or Liberty, demanded
that Hasid Jews not be allowed to gather in the town of Uman, about 125
miles (200 kilometers) south of the capital.
Close to 30,000 Hasidic Jews from around the world are expected in Uman this
week to celebrate Rosh Hoshana at the grave of Rabbi Nachman of Bratslav,
who died in 1810.
The protesters shouted "Ukraine for Ukrainians" at Sunday's rally.
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