RE: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest Jewish pilgrimage

From: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:31:12 +0100
To: 'Gary Rogovin' <grcpa_at_att.net>, 'Anny Matar' <annymatar_at_gmail.com>
Reply-to: cornel fleming <cornel.fleming_at_virgin.net>

Gary...you are being very unfair. A small group of obnoxious people are not
representative of the whole nation. And some years ago I got to Sadagura
shortly after a large group of ultra-orthodox who had come to visit the
"wunder-rebbe"..and they used the surrounding area to relieve themselves.Not
the way to win friends!!! And in Israel socalled religious Jews are burning
Mosques, and their Rabbi published a book that says it is perfectly
acceptable to kill non-Jews including babies!!! I repeat,it is wrong to
judge a whole community by the unacceptable and disgusting behaviour of the
lunatic fringe. Cornel

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[mailto:bounce-38123169-8441035_at_list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Gary Rogovin
Sent: 03 October 2011 20:44
To: Anny Matar
Cc: Czernowitz Genealogy and History
Subject: Re: [Cz-L] They are at it again - Ukraine's nationalists protest
Jewish pilgrimage

Dear Anny,

Thank you for your comments. While some of the Hasidim may act
inappropriately by getting drunk, which I have never personally seen them do

when I lived amongst them for a time in Boro Park in Brooklyn, NY, USA, it
is hard to believe that all 30,000 descending upon Uman would do so.

Religious Jews are mostly pious and civilized people, unlike the Nazis and
their Ukranian cohorts during WWII. Religious Jews do not burn down
churches, or kill other human beings unless in self defense, with the
possible exception of some extremists living in Israeli settlements on
former Arab land.

Anny, you have precisely hit on my point "they are at it again", meaning
that the old hatred, intolerence and prejudice passed down from one
generation to the next, is still there. "Hey Jew, do not come back to this
land (the Ukraine) where you once dwelled, but if you must visit, be sure to

bring and leave us your filthy money, which we will only be too happy to
wash".

You are right, their hypocrisy is precisely why the Ukranians will not allow

the grave of Rabbi Nachman of Bratslav, aka "the cash cow", to be removed.

If a Jew ventures into an anti-semetic land that was once part of his
history, in this case the land of Czernowitzers, now part of the Ukraine,
does the individual Jew have to be a perfect human being in order to be
allowed to set foot on that land as a "guest"? What human being is perfect?
What Jew is a "guest" in the Ukraine?

Wishing a happy holiday to you and your family.

Gary Rogovin

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